Your Blog Ate My Comment
Quentin D’Souza is Tracking Down Educators who use Social Bookmarking (del.icio.us). His post describes the research process he used to make a list of teachers who are using the service. He said that he’s “building up the Social Bookmarking tools section of the wiki. In a recursive twist of information flow, I found this through my del.icio.us network, which is my favorite source of new information, and my default browser page. I left a comment on Quentin’s post.
Commenting on blogs, for me, is mildly scary. I feel that I’ve never gotten the hang of it. I don’t want to leave a comment that’s too long, or include too many links, or appear to be a know-it-all, and I’m never sure what anyone will make of what I say. I’ve left several comments here and there that I regret on account of their pedestrian vacuity. In meatspace, I’m not known for being talkative, but am known for my directness, and so conversation doesn’t flow with people who I don’t know well. In blogspace, as Graham Wegner pointed out a few months ago, comments are the lifeblood of blogs. So I boldly comment, and try not to worry about it.
With that in mind, I’ve “discovered” a way to use del.icio.us so that people can track my comments across the eduscape. The reason I’m publicizing this isn’t because I want people to stalk me, but because it would be interesting to see where all the conversation is, and I’m encouraging other people to consider doing the same, using myself as an example. When you read blogs with an aggregator, you don’t see the comments, and sometimes they are provocative - better, even, than the original post. A service called coComment was developed to help publicize these conversations, and I tried it, but it didn’t work for me for a variety of reasons.
A while back I started tagging the posts I commented on with a tag dedicated to that one purpose - I call it comments, for lack of a better word. I copy the text of my comment, hit the del.icio.us bookmarklet and paste the comment in the item, tag it, and I’m done. There’s an rss feed for them. I used that feed to burn a new Feedburner feed that I have listed at the bottom of my sidebar. For a while I had the comments displayed in the sidebar with a del.icio.us tagroll, but I’ve removed that in favor of the more discreet link to the Borderland Tourist feed near the bottom of the blog’s sidebar.
A side benefit of this, and maybe the most useful thing so far, is that I can subscribe to my own comments and revisit them. Until I did this, all my comments were lost into the ether.
For those in my del.icio.us network, that’s what the comments items are about. Apologies to anyone who finds the technical jargon hard to follow. Quentin’s wiki page is good background.

Artichoke wrote,
Ha Doug,
You’ve just given me the ability to take talking to myself to a whole new level.
Link | September 3rd, 2006 at 5:40 pm
Doug wrote,
Well…Artichoke, I’ll admit it - I’m taking lessons from you.
Link | September 3rd, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Marco Polo wrote,
Thanks for the tip. I would never have discovered my delicious network, or even if I had, would not have taken the time to figure it out. I also appreciate the idea for comments. I’ve also tried CoComment but am losing interest. These days, perverting a tip from GTD, if it takes me longer than 2 minutes to figure out, I abandon it. Does this make me cutting-edge-Web2.0-human? Or is it just me getting old? (No answer required).
Link | September 4th, 2006 at 7:23 am
Doug wrote,
I’m right there with you, wherever that is, hoping there are other possibilities.
Link | September 4th, 2006 at 8:52 am
Mark Ahlness wrote,
Good grief, Doug. This is just plain amazing. There is SO much out there, it is overwhelming to try and harness just a smidgen and make it personally useful. Thanks very much. Am now utilizing my del.icio.us network - for the first time - with an eye on where you started with this - the comments. I think I’ve got it, will likely set it up much as you have. For now, I’ve added a feed from my del.icio.us network to my blog, which is kinda interesting to watch… Dontcha love free stuff?
ps afterthought - what a very cool tool to use with the kids this year on their blogs. Not sure how to set it up yet, but the possibilities are exciting!
Link | September 4th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
Doug wrote,
What an interesting suggestion! I’m going to think that one over a bit. Yes, free stuff is the best stuff.
I’ve set up a school del.icio.us account that has only school-related things on it, and put it in my network. I can “push” links from my del.icio.us/noon list to the denali.elem list with a for:denali.elem tag. Then “save this item” when logged in from a classroom machine.
The kids could use del.icio.us to tag with dedicated tags, or even with their own code word, and display their links - and comments from the item’s text field, on the student website. Yes! Yes!
More brains ->better ideas
Thanks.
Link | September 4th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
Stephanie Booth wrote,
Hi Doug — I’d really be interested in knowing why coComment didn’t work for you. You can let me know by e-mail if you don’t want to post about it here.
Feedback about “what doesn’t work” is precious for us
Thanks in advance for the trouble!
Link | September 4th, 2006 at 11:55 pm
Doug wrote,
Sure, Stephanie, though it wasn’t my intention to review or critique coComment. It does essentially the same thing that I’m describing here, and I’d recommend it to anyone who didn’t want to bother with del.icio.us.
I only “tried” it a couple of times. The first few tries I didn’t remember to hit the bookmarklet when I posted my comment, and I couldn’t go back and redo it. I also tried to use it with a haloscan comment, and found that it wouldn’t work with those. So I gave up.
The issue is one of flexibility for me. With my del.icio.us solution I have the flexibility to go back and simply bookmark the post if I forget to do it while I’m there to begin with. I can manage the del.icio.us/noon/comments archive and delete or change comments if I want. I can even comment on the comment if I choose, or leave the text out altogether - which is what I did in the beginning.
It may be that I’ve misrepresented coComment somehow because, as I said, I didn’t really use it. If any of my criticisms are inaccurate, feel free to respond here and correct me. I didn’t mean to do a product review, but I can see why you inquired.
Link | September 5th, 2006 at 4:04 am
Stephanie Booth wrote,
Hey Doug, thanks a lot for the prompt response! I’m quite aware you didn’t intend to do a product review and just mentioned it in passing, but as I tracked you down I thought it wouldn’t hurt to ask what went wrong. It’s always really interesting for me to try to understand what happens when coComment doesn’t “catch” — is it a problem with our features, our communication?
So, please don’t feel you need to apologize. It’s perfectly legitimate of anybody to try something a couple of times, give up on it, and say so. I do it all the time! If you knew how impatient I was when trying out new stuff, you wouldn’t feel bad at all about this (if you are).
Sometimes the best solutions are the simplest. I did del.icio.us for quite some time, actually, but (ironically) regularly forgot to bookmark my comments.
As for what “went wrong” for you with coComment:
- if you have FireFox, you can scrap the bookmarklet and use the extension (that’s the part I like, I don’t have to remember to bookmark my comments anymore): http://www.cocomment.com/tools/extension (for IE users, somebody here is quietly cooking up an IE extension, but IE being IE, there’s no knowing how much time that will take)
- as for HaloScan, if my information is correct we’ve been supporting it for a few weeks: http://www.cocomment.com/teamblog/?p=114 (there is a slight possibility my announcement may have been a little premature, so if it doesn’t work well check out my post to see if I’ve amended it).
Thanks a lot for letting me know how things went for you, and in any case don’t feel bad about giving up on coCo — I probably would have too in your place!
Link | September 5th, 2006 at 5:29 am
Chris L wrote,
One year, seven months ago (according to my blog entry) there was a movement afoot that spawned the “mycomments” tag in del.icio.us as a place to do exactly what you have discovered. It would appear quite a few people still do it. I do when I remember…
In fact, when I first noticed Co-Comment a while back, my linklog entry said something like “a formalized version of the mycomment tag?” — I found that Co-Comment is broken on a variety of sites (including my own, which apparently defies even the most manual processes), so for now I’m sticking with the mycomments tag…
Link | September 5th, 2006 at 8:17 am
Doug wrote,
It’s funny how learning happens, because I noticed Amy Gahran’s mycomments del.icio.us tags some time ago - not as far back as you reference since that’s almost as long as I’ve been blogging - but I didn’t recognize the value of it until the coComment service got me thinking about it, and then when I couldn’t make it work I remembered how Amy tagged her own comments. That’s when it clicked for me.
I enjoy reading your linklog because of the commentary you inject into the bookmarks - makes them entertaining in their own right.
Link | September 5th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
Stephanie Booth wrote,
Chris: being a tad provocative here, is coComment broken or the sites it cannot yet parse? Often people make such a mess of their commenting templates that it’s just not possible to make sense of them. Of course, we’re not perfect, but we try to parse the most common markup choices we find out there!
In your case, I see you’re using K2. I know there was quite a bit of discussions in the forums about this. I just tried to post a comment to your blog (erase it if you don’t want it around) and indeed, your page title (PostName at BlogName) doesn’t follow one of the patters we parse. coComment also seems to have failed silently even though I corrected blog and post name before posting.
I’ll ping our resident mark-up/integration specialist and see what he has to say.
You can already solve the PostName/BlogName problem by adding the integration markup to your blog (that ensures coComment gets the variables right): http://www.cocomment.com/tools/integrate
Link | September 5th, 2006 at 11:03 pm
Graham Wegner wrote,
Doug, I’m still not sure about CoComment either. I tried it when it came out but like you, I had trouble remembering to use the bookmarklet and I started a del.icio.us tagging idea (again, like your idea!) using the tag blogcomment. I’m retrying it again with the extension but when I posted to Artichoke’s blog the other night, I ended up with a CoComment link to all Typepad comments including blogs I’ve never read, instead of following just the conversation from Artichoke. I’d be more enthusiastic about CoComment if I could go and re-link to comments that I have made in the past. Maybe that’s coming. But I think I might go back to my blogcomment tag on del.icio.us.
Link | September 6th, 2006 at 2:43 am
Doug wrote,
Well…Graham, Have you mentioned this to Stephanie? (It’s OK, Stephanie, I don’t mind you working on the coComment bugs here.) We might learn something.
Graham, your blog is where I first tried using it. And if I’m not mistaken it was on a post about it, as I think you were the person who inspired me to try it.
I’m impatient with anything that doesn’t work properly. If it rattles, or buzzes, or gets stuck, or requires me to pay more than casual attention to it, I nuke it and move on. I don’t mean just computer stuff, either. My favorite machine is my bicycle. del.icio.us is like my bicycle.
Link | September 6th, 2006 at 4:14 am
Chris L wrote,
That’s not being provocative at all– I’m sure my mangled K2 (well, I just updated yesterday– coincedentally) was the culprit. I just found that a lot of sites seemed to have similar problems and ultimately the “mycomments” tag did enough for me. Once I get the threaded/subscribable comments in place I’ll test again and take your advice
Link | September 6th, 2006 at 7:14 am
cloudscome wrote,
This is so exciting!! I have been wishing there was a way to do exactly this… I knew there was but I was waiting to find it. Thank you!
Let me go try it….
Link | September 8th, 2006 at 9:37 am