Contested Ground
My classroom doesn’t work the way I want it to. In the Age of Accountability, I focus on process, and see product as a secondary concern. I’m an ill-fitting peg, uneasy about participating in what, for me, amounts to a charade - emulating archaic practices designed for kids from bygone eras.
Looking at the group I’m with now, thinking about them, and not the generic, bloodless beings called Students, statistical incarnations of demographically catalogued learners, I feel more strongly than ever that I owe each of them more than mere delivery of the curriculum, and concern for where they stand relative to a standard that I don’t endorse.
Being a teacher means too many things for me to say that I know how to do it well. I surely don’t know how to move a group of kids to universal competence when their needs span the curricula for 4 different grade levels, and when they come with varying interests, talents, and beliefs about themselves and about school. But I do know how to connect with students through conversation. I am a noticer of insight, and I am a celebrant of the very good question. I know how to encourage kids to make strides on their own, working for things that I could never teach them directly.
Christopher Sessums put together a great article about teacher knowldege:
Knowledge for practice brings us to the idea of best practice – generalizable behaviors and techniques that are verified and acknowledged as effective. The problem with such a conception of practice is that best practices are not necessarily presented as situated in a specific context.
I remember when I first heard the term, best practice. A new principal used the term in a staff meeting, and it felt like ice on the back of my neck. Who says? I wondered. That term has rankled me for almost 20 years. The phrase resurfaced in a meme that bloomed on David Warlick’s blog. Miguel Guhlin and Will Richardson have taken a swing at it in recent months, also.
I found Christopher Sessums’ article refreshing because it offers a perspective outside the either/or, best-practices-trap which looks at teacher knowledge as a received commodity rather than a dynamic process of discovery and analyis.
Sessums used Cochran-Smith’s & Lytle’s (1999) analytic frame for understanding teacher stance toward practical and professional knowledge:
- knowledge for practice: knowledge as received;
- knowledge in practice: knowledge acquired through experience;
- knowledge of practice: knowledge derived from adopting a critical stance through inquiry
From the Knowledge of Practice perspective, Sessums tells us that Cochran-Smith and Lytle pose this as a stance in which
teaching is seen as a political act and cannot be separated from what is being taught, how it’s being taught, and what becomes of the results…teacher inquiry provides the social and intellectual context in which teachers, at all points along their professional lifespan, adopt critical perspectives of their own assumptions as well as the theory and research of others….Part of the goal of this conception is to professionalize teaching and bring about social/educational change by enlarging the teacher’s role as a decision maker, consultant, curriculum developer, analyst, activist, and school leader.
Discussions about teaching and professionalism on both The Education Wonks’ and Jenny D’s recent posts illustrate the difficulty we have in making headway on the question of what we Should be doing, because a critical perspective is altogether overlooked in discussions about How we should measure teacher effectiveness.
Absent from discussions of teacher effectiveness and best practice is the acknowledgment that fact can not be separated from value. Standards, and the curricula they spawn are socially derived, and are not handed down on stone tablets. They encapsulate value orientations toward knowledge and the purpose of public education, ultimately defining what are desirable and necessary qualities for a human being.
I applaud Will Richardson’s effort to articulate a definition for emergent knowledge and the consequent change in professional attitude that must accompany it. His article in Edutopia, The New Face of Learning, addresses the need for new standards, without specifically calling them that.
…it feels more and more hollow to ask students to “hand in” their homework to an audience of one. When we’re faced with a flattening world where collaboration is becoming the norm, forcing students to work alone seems to miss the point…it’s not hard to understand why rows of desks and time-constrained schedules and standardized tests are feeling more and more limiting and ineffective.
Will is way out in front with this discussion, though. Teachers as a profession need to resolve our differences about the teacher’s role, or risk enshrining alternate methods for doing what we’ve always done, calling them ‘best practices’. If, as Chris Sessums points out, administrators have a hard time admitting the legitimacy of teachers as inquirers and challengers of the status quo, waiting for their encouragement will stall us out right where we are, mired in arguments about measurement and control.
We all are empowered. We each are responsible.
Cochran-Smith, M. and S. L. Lytle (1999). “Relationships of knowledge and practice: Teacher learning in communities.” Review of Educational Research in Education 24: 249-305.

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Link | October 1st, 2006 at 4:12 am
Sarah Puglisi wrote,
Oh this is just wonderful……
Yes, we are all responsible.
I have several realities. My husband is a Superintendent of a District which is very small, which in and of itself in this world is a luxury. He is also fortunate to work within a truly interesting population of “older teachers” like myself, a very affluent parent group with a high level of involvement and a very poor Hispanic population. An unusual face of public ed here in CA for it’s diversity. Tonight I went to their annual fundraising arts auction. It’s always fun,a barn dancing hoedown. It nets about $30,000 for a foundation to support the arts and science in the school. Because of this group drama teachers, art teachers, music and science programs such as video conference are supported. Those at the auction are lovely people from so many walks of life, inquisitive, often very aware of NCLB and what it might have done to their program and what they are doing in support of stopping this. For their children.
I was a raincloud this evening because, of course, I want to talk about the poor child in my school 9 miles down the road, some are hungry, I’m mad over the curricular changes for scripted directed instruction and my voice having been sheered, the intrusion, lack of arts, the differences in experiences in these two worlds a direct result of NCLB. We just had our “Parent Night” in which I fell flat and busted knee, ankle and body (symbolic I think) just after watching a parent go in my cupboard unasked take out a bag and load up 4 dozen cookies I still had left on a platter when she came in to see her child’s room.To go. You watch these things in a 24 year career and you think about them. I was astounded that 3 purses disappeared from the site and generally speaking if the mood at one interaction was fun, was spending for school and the arts, the mood at the other was frenzy, confusion, and separation. And I thought about it all tonight.
I talked up poverty and NCLB to my friends across the growing mighty divide. But it’s such a gorge now they are mostly looking at me in sympathy , with a shudder and giving a nice wave of sympathy. Or as one great Dad said, “In the end we are looking out for our own”.
My particular orientation as a teacher, my political act if you will, is to readdress this world with my message…it’s the old one from kindergarten, “We are the world, we are the children.” And we need to “share”. What I see happening, as Kozol has written, is that divide now means people in communities see no connection to neighbor school, neighbor child. I might as well work across the solar system. I’m waiting for the calvary and I realize no one is coming. It’s over…NCLB placed the structure in to name the poor guilty of their poverty, makes it look as if these societal and school issues are addressed and strands poor kids in a canned workbook never even getting to color. It’s over. And I’m sitting in daily mental agony in which they hope I do what so many of my peers are doing, get out.
As Bush says, “Talk to the schools with your feet.” Abandon the needy. That’s now just how it is. And take shots at those that are there working who didn’t get off the ship. What NCLB has done is legitimize the idea that you get “yours” and let the rest fall to the sea. I’m out here in the sea, and we are going under. No lifeboat in my ocean and no leadership……just a group of people tossing out the rhetorical nothingness of phrases like “best practice” or “researched based teaching methodology” or “data driven”…..or my favorite, the notion that we are on “the same page” meaning “of a workbook”. Meaning not in literature and certainly not around defining teaching as empowering learners with information to transform lives. It takes at least that to survive years in America’s ghettos and urban areas of poverty, that and a seed….planted by learning.
Again if teachers do not articulate what is being done to students, what they are “doing”. If they won’t see the endpoint it’s a lost mission. The removal of creative control from teacher turns into the removal of creative ability in student, the removal of literature, the stopping of using what humans have said to direct and center our core actions, removal of social thinking like, “What good is a golden rule if it has no practical application within the structures of our schools?” results in looking out only for yourself, and doesn’t that sound like somewhere else in this world back before a major crisis of world proportion? If teachers do not articulate what they are seeing and become active speakers about this fundamental shift in public education, our nation will allow the poor to carry a burden unimagined. They will be those no one wishes to touch, see, hear, feel, look upon, those that are hated for their poverty, scapegoated, loathed, not allowed to design, mingle, have……they will be our permanent underclass who are kept from high educational opportunity by definition and attendance within our institutions, all under an act that bore a name that said otherwise.
We will have allowed, as I saw tonight, a world full of people who need to see their own actions and commitment (as strongly as they see their sympathies) to have no connection to the struggles of their neighbors. The way to “do something” will become a shoulder shrug and a kind of “this is just how it is” so we need to “get ours”.
I’m not a Catholic and I’m a great believer in church /state separation doctrines, but a few years ago in Chicago the former Pope spoke and I listened…meeting Clinton…he said essentially, for I have to recall this…that America needed to be careful not to allow the poor to become so poor they had nothing to give and the rich so rich they needed nothing.
Right now as a teacher in an act which is political I am saying all I can….trying with my real fundamental inadequacies….to articulate….by removing literature, arts, music, removing creative control from teachers, we are making children that are no longer able to hold up a mirror to us all. Our nation was built on the voice, wisdom ethics, art, empowerment and creativity of those who didn’t have it all. It was built on rising to the occasion, on rising through a Depression, on creation of systems like our fantastic public ed notions.
We can allow the things that work to be turned into a living joke. But we won’t know that America. We simply have to ask not only for schools that work for our three kids, we have to project outward into our communities and nation and ask that NCLB and the thought behind it be stopped. It’s a certainty that now more than ever the poor children of this nation need the actions of the adults.
Link | October 1st, 2006 at 5:10 am
KCC Children, Families and Education - Digital Curriculum : A plea from a teacher wrote,
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Link | October 1st, 2006 at 7:34 am
Doug wrote,
Sarah, since you’ve lately been readiing through the Borderland archives, you may want to see the Commit to Being a Flea, piece. It’s my best response to your comment about why I’m not done yet. We teachers can work together to make a difference. As you point out, the stakes are high, which makes it all the more important to tell your story.
Link | October 1st, 2006 at 9:08 am
Learning Is Messy - Blog » Blog Archive » Report: Technology in Schools: What the Research Says wrote,
[...] I have used this blog on several occasions, and others in the edblogosphere have used their blogs to ask where the examples and research are that support integrating tech into the school curriculum. I have my own experience to tell me that tech along with project-based, problem-based approaches is valuable. In my opinion especially for “At-Risk” students, a strong field trip program along with the arts and physical education to build the schema so lacking otherwise should also be part of the curriculum. But, where is the support for that approach outside of those of us that have embraced it on our own? There has been for quite awhile research available that supports tech integration, but mainly in writing and a few other areas. Now comes a “study of studies,” that shows promise for tech as a valuable educational tool. [...]
Link | October 1st, 2006 at 2:20 pm
Chris Betcher wrote,
Beautifully stated. The system sucks.
Link | October 1st, 2006 at 5:25 pm
Doug wrote,
Chris, I do appreciate an apt distillation of my thinking. I should give up blogging now, and let that stand as the final word. Thanks.
Link | October 1st, 2006 at 5:31 pm
Nani wrote,
A teacher-friend of mine, and fellow blogger (http://tamaraeden.blogspot.com) works in a California school that has formed Professional Learning Communities, or PLCs. In the PLC meetings, they discuss each other’s lesson plans and critique them for each other. I believe they use a process called the Tuning Protocol, which I don’t know very much about, either. I think they do other things as well, but this idea is so interesting to me because we don’t do that in my school, in the South Bronx. I’m hoping to visit Tamara in February and sit on these PLC meetings, so that I can go back to my own school and share the idea with my colleagues and administrators.
Teaching is such an isolating practice, I think, because when we close that classroom door, we’re on our own and there is little to no uniformity in the way teachers teach or how the content is taught. I don’t think we need total uniformity, nor should we push for it, since every teacher has their own style but I do think there needs to be some consistency in methodology, like constant student reflection on their work and allowing students to use each other as resources.
Link | October 2nd, 2006 at 2:41 am
Doug wrote,
When I started teaching we had mandatory weekly meetings at grade-level. It was my principal’s idea, and I learned a lot from those other teachers. There was no designated protocol, just conversation.
Like you say, Nani, teaching is isolating, and the discussions did tend to produce consistency in methodology without insisting on it - or even aiming for it. When a teacher in my building tells me about something that worked out especially well, I tend to listen and am inclined to try it.
Link | October 2nd, 2006 at 3:52 am
Michaele wrote,
“My classroom doesn’t work the way I want it to. In the Age of Accountability, I focus on process, and see product as a secondary concern. I’m an ill-fitting peg, uneasy about participating in what, for me, amounts to a charade - emulating archaic practices designed for kids from bygone eras.”
…with a deep exhale of relief…**MY** classroom (kindergarten), DOES work the way I want it to. Which means it doesn’t work the way OTHERS want it to.
I taught for ten years in Alaska before Uncle Sam decided my husband and our family needed to see some more of our country. Two moves later with a depolyment underway, and I find myself in the Land of Oz. I taught kindergarten in New Mexico for our first year out of Alaska, and I’m back to “kidney-garden” for this year in Kansas. You’d think with eleven years of kindergarten teaching experience under my belt, I’d feel relatively comfortable no matter where I find my family stationed. As long as I have “Where the Wild Things Are” and “Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What Do You See,” with me, I should be fine, right?
My students sing, actively and EAGERLY work in learning centers…count, rhyme, negotiate, socialize, share, jockey for position when the musical instruments, math manipulatives, storybooks and art media are distributed… smile, forgive, help, and inquire. We “Shake our Sillies Out” and enjoy motoring through the room as we jam out to “Y.M.C.A.” Which means my students aren’t sitting at individual desks in neat little rows. They’re not sitting for periods of time longer than ten to fifteen minutes. The “noise” of my classroom is language, language, language. Students assembling the Mrs. Wishy-Washy puzzle (Oh, lovely mud!), the construction of multi-colored Lego towers and rocket ships (no, the windows are red, the rocket boosters are blue), debate over whether or not the baby dolls in the pretend center are really cold with only a diaper on or if it matters because they are plastic entities, not human…”how do you spell your name ’cause I want to write you a note,” “teacher, I don’t know why Ww starts with duh, duh, duh,” etc. Safe exploration, supported sharing of ideas, value found in each and every child, especially when milk is spilled, crayons are broken, shirts are cut. My students think about the choices they make, and they discuss them with me, during concept exploration, or the ever-popular “rules” review.
But I’m outnumbered. Not by my students. By my colleagues. Who blow whistles in the faces of five year olds. Who laugh at grade level meetings (where there is a district audience, not just school cronies) about how glad they are the “academic support monitor” is able to take kindergartners into the “back room and put the fear of God into them” until they “comply.” Who complain how it’s such “a pain” when students won’t move on to the next activity because they’re totally engrossed in what they’re exploring at that moment…”how are we supposed to get through the day’s S.F.A. curriclum requirements?” Darn those five year olds- life would be so much better if they would just behave like fourth graders. I’m so grossly outnumbered, politely offering suggestions or tips just gets me blank stares, rolled eyes, and then a dismissive comment “well yeah, that might work for YOU…”
Doug, I’m no wallflower. Off season, I can usually be found in leather on the back of my husband’s Harley, or all dolled up for the latest military ball. I volunteer (or get volunteered) for “fun” jobs, like presenting to the School Board, meeting and greeting parents at Open House, or doing the P.R. drill when district or local high-muckity-mucks need to demonstrate how supportive they are of education. I have a steady stream of parent volunteers, and our fifth grade buddies take it all in stride when I forget and use “Kinder-ese” with them. I couldn’t blend into the woodwork if I tried. Apparently here in Oz, that’s not a good trait.
It wasn’t a bad trait at all in Fairbanks. It wasn’t a detrimental trait in New Mexico though it was considered a little unorthodox. But the Wizard is more concerned with that darn curtain- instead of with real SUBSTANCE, real EFFORT, real THOUGHT into who these children are, and what they need to become lifelong learners. The Wizard wants to smile, dance, and hide behind the smoke and mirrors requiring us to fulfill the needs of the curriculum materials, instead of fulfilling the needs of our students.
While I can always pray that Uncle Sam relocates us after this year, I’m beginning to fear where he might send us next, and I dread knowing that the joy I’ve encouraged my students to share, will be beaten out of them for A.Y.P. The beating is totally justified by peers, higher-ups, and district administrators. And in their fear of the school system (or their cluelessness about it), parents are letting it happen, even encouraging it.
Ever get tired of hearing the same old story?
Link | October 3rd, 2006 at 3:15 pm
Brian Crosby wrote,
Michaele - I know I don’t tire of the story you are telling - keep telling it and keep doing it - my biggest hope is that little by little it will be the story many will tell - PLEASE.
Learning is messy!
Brian
Link | October 3rd, 2006 at 5:40 pm
Doug wrote,
Darn those fourth-graders! I wish they’d behave more like kindergarteners.
Michaele, I agree with Brian. Keep telling your story. Since you’ve come from Alaska, you know that mostly, schools here ain’t so bad as they could be. ‘Course, some have more of some things than others, like everywhere else. The teachers I work with are good people, but the education discourse is getting so perverted that we are starting to forget where we came from.
With a “little help from our friends” I think we can find our way through the smoke and mirrors to something that resembles the real places we want to be. I’m not tired of hearing the stories. That’s what this is all about. Thanks.
Link | October 3rd, 2006 at 8:37 pm
Sailorman wrote,
Sarah Puglisi Says:
October 1st, 2006 at 5:10 am
….My particular orientation as a teacher, my political act if you will, is to readdress this world with my message…it’s the old one from kindergarten, “We are the world, we are the children.” And we need to “share”.
Oy. Not that this is a bad message, mind you. But why in SCHOOL?
I don’t mind teaching my own kids to add and write–i really don’t–and I’m quite facile at doing so. But all things being equal i’d vastly prefer their teachers would drop the political activism and leave the instilling of values to me.
I have to confess this sort of made me cringe. Not that you had that belief–I think it’s a good belief–but that you consider it appropriate to promote and prosteletyze that belief to your students. Don’t you have better things to do? You know, the three Rs and all that?
Link | October 5th, 2006 at 7:12 am
Tracy W wrote,
As Bush says, “Talk to the schools with your feet.” Abandon the needy. That’s now just how it is. And take shots at those that are there working who didn’t get off the ship. What NCLB has done is legitimize the idea that you get “yours” and let the rest fall to the sea. I’m out here in the sea, and we are going under.
I thought the idea of NCLB was that every kid in the country was to be taught how to read and do basic maths. Not just white kids from rich backgrounds but poor kids, black kids, Hispanic kids, etc, etc. And there’s testing to check this happens, and funding for tutoring, etc, for schools that are failing in this job. The NCLB may not be effective enough at enforcing all kids learning, but its aim is clear enough and that’s that no kid is left behind.
How does teaching all kids to read and do basic maths “legitimise the idea that you get ‘yours’ and let the rest fall to the sea”?
Or do you think certain kids don’t need to learn to read or do basic maths? If so, which kids are these who don’t need to learn to read or do basic maths?
“I focus on process, and see product as a secondary concern”
So if your kids don’t learn to read or do basic maths, this is a secondary concern of yours?
Link | October 5th, 2006 at 1:52 pm
Sarah Puglisi wrote,
I often think that if you try to explain things to an audience and end up defending yourself, something is vastly wrong.
First…..I teach first grade. Proselytizing is not a part of my day. I have reading, spelling, math and all the virtuous activities of academia in place. I’m scripted now, I say nothing off script. Try it, see if it works for you in a classroom. Please come to mine in Oxnard. I welcome it. Meet me.
But, in that I teach in an area of poverty and socio-economic distress with children of multi-ethic backgrounds, who are in varying degrees of the process of becoming a part of our country, I often face more difficult situations than those who teach in areas of economic means. My classes may not know of sharing and other social skills as might befit the social structure of the room well enough so I can just “run the script”. I had no part in creating that script-it is not my choice…a textbook company did that-in conjunction with a highly political/legislated context where educational methodologies and praxis are now “determined”. So, then I do teach it. Thanks for the advice about what I really ought to be doing.
Tonight as I volunteer tutor a group of 15 high schoolers of mine, former students struggling in math, at my home, I ‘ll let them know we are working on the real academic agenda and putting away the party hats of my political yapping. Thanks.
Sharing and caring. Yes, that great liberal notion. Yours might have it, wonderful. But those without it need it and its a fairly time worn principle, not of my making, that in a complex dynamic economically sophisticated world, one needs to be able to function in groups and within social settings, just like their neighbor. Now how what I said made you think of this-who knows? You certainly missed what I was saying. Probably I could write better but undoubtably you could filter meaning to a higher degree also.
What I was addressing was teaching in systems where in one part of town children have great socio-economic advantage and in my part of town it is quite different, yet I am mandated to do “the same thing” in very scripted work (but unlike in the wealthier areas I find my kids completely working in workbook drills and skills all day removing art, literature, music, and any kind of interesting type of curricular bridges to meaning) which is not addressing the academic levels (Bloom’s Taxonomy levels) and needs of the children.
Further, after attending a night seeing what wealthy parents can do to “buy” what poor parents cannot for their school-I felt sad such a reality existed. I have taught with great energy and out of pocket expense and a considerable amount of integrity in my career. I do not intend to defend myself politically. If teachers were not working under a ridiculously inane politicized bizarre educational exercise in turning school into a front line by those with political agendas and no accountability for their actions, for the daily life reality for kids trying to cope with it, in NCLB (check out Reading First) in taking over their public schools, and truly eroding it for my kids-I’d be silent. I prefer that as I’m working 6AM to 5PM, at least, a day, with other things to do in my rather difficult life.
As to the second comment. No one doubts the need for “Basic Maths” whatever that is. Nor has anyone failed to do it. There are plenty of drills though, now, with pacing kids are forced on, who fail to internalize them, and Standards shoved them into mastery at far, far earlier ages, so that by fourth grade many will fail permanently. I have more “at risk” kids than those passing, as day one in 1st demanded they be able to add sums to 20 and write numbers to 100. While a lofty notion, not all kids are ready for that quite yet. Not because I’m dolling around doing nothing but because it was beyond where they were. This is compounded in areas of poverty. Ten-fold for a multitude of reasons. What on earth would I do all day, spend time discussing relativity?
Considering algebra is now a strand tested in 1st grade, I’m called upon within this NCLB system to teach far, far beyond a few basic skills. That’s an argument teachers have tried to point out, actually. Though I’m sure it’ll be turned around as my laziness. By third grade the skills tested are mostly in complex logic systems which require tremendous skills in understanding the logic of language. In areas with 2nd language needs, that’s very difficult and I need literature and I need lots of bridges that are concrete experiences to get the job done. I cannot do this well on page 31-37 of the workbook. Sorry I need some creative control. In that time I’ll be doing only academic activity which is frankly all I like to do.. If you want to see more basic maths, then I suppose you should talk to the legislature as I’m scripted, I teach what and when they tell me to teach. And the world demands students have fairly complex skills.
Right now in first grade over 3/4ths of my class is “deficient” or “failing” at math in the scripted proscribed directed instructional strategy which I am required to employ and I cannot use the hands on methodologies that work nor can I slow the pace. I’m mandated to go to the next skill by a pacing calendar whether they know it or were ready for it or not. That’s tough luck for you if you are struggling. I think that’s ridiculous, but too bad. I volunteer long hours to try to force it to work on my own time but is how it works. I did not create that scenario. But that’s the way it is. I really suggest you explain more explicitly what on earth drew that thought from what was written here…… Again I’m not getting the logical processing strand.
I will say this, it’s very easy to discount and insult teachers. In fact in the current world it’s almost a sport. That’s really a sad part of what has been “allowed” in this current world. In my day as a child such a thing was unthinkable and in this day …it’s simply thought of as another way of making and winning your point. I rather find it a disagreeable thing. I dedicated a life to trying to assist children into opportunities to find a way to become educated. No one who ever had a student within my care ever lodged a complaint about my character, conduct, commitment or politics. I decided to try and articulate my concerns around NCLB when I found the rhetoric and “intentions” of said act so far from the reality within the schools. When I saw a deterioration in education that had a profound effect on the site and when I realized that in areas of poverty children were not getting what the act was saying it would provide. Why is that so incomprehensible?
It just might be that it could say one thing while doing another for very real, valid reasons. It could be intended to redirect public monies into the hands of those that want to turn schools into a business. But that seems a little different than what it should be to me. And after seeing what became of public hospitals, healthcare and a nation which has 44 million without health coverage I’m thinking schools are worth trying to speak about. Worth keeping.
When I watched at least 50 terrific teachers, best I ever saw in terms of reaching and working with children, leave the job in early retirement after deciding it was ridiculous to test and administer programs that are fundamentally about channeling monies to “test groups”, large textbook companies, tests and groups about making a dollar saying one thing and doing another, and their reacting to reshaping the classrooms so it works less well for those that need it, yes, I decided to say what I saw. We lost them also because they won’t sit and be shot down with rhetoric. The job was too hard and their work too well done to allow them to take that.
After 23 years of working with my mouth firmly shut I felt I had a base, a real knowledge base, coming from my work to speak. I don’t want to insult anyone nor in any way invalidate anyone. If you have real experience teaching, real experience working with different conclusions I can respect that, listen, learn, evolve my perspectives. That’s what my education allows me to do-it affords complex logic in sophisticated applications of thought and actions. But if it’s only from an armchair, then I think you need to base those views on some listening too. Plus knowing the educational level I and my husband hold and our community efforts combined with a base line knowledge that this agenda within the schools is shattering a vital public notion, yes, I am guilty as charged. I am a teacher who dares to feel I am being asked to work unethically.
I do not think I lack knowledge of “what kids need”, my own personal children (and my classes for that matter) score at the top of this county/country. They got that way because I knew something, I knew what a learner needed to allow it to flourish. But I also know that they had the advantage of what I provided libraries, people, literature, arts, music, conversation, my education. It is that which is severely limited by this educational NCLB design, whether you accept my truth or not is your issue. Work in the ghetto nearest yourself for a few months in one of these cities close to you and begin to learn about the realities for the poorest children. I am not afforded the luxury of taking a pot shot at you in return. Why would I, you undoubtably are trying to raise good children in a complicated world and want school to evolve, change, improve. It’s the most valid thing in the world to want. I just think you are defending something that is helping to create a permanent divide in economic and social value in this country.
Fortunately there are those far wiser, far more articulate on the web and in the bookstores which you can surface to carry on this dialog with and who might not cause a cringe for you. I am, frankly, inadequate to the task. I’d vastly prefer anyone other than myself carry it forward. But I look around and see a great many silences.
I do think though that I’ll stand by my words, written in fatigue with their shimmer flame of inadequacy, because they are backed up with a life spent doing what I said I was here to do. Living a life in public service. And no one who has not done that can tarnish it by mis-interpreting my fatigue driven articulating of my meanings, like mudballs of distortion, around the core content of my intent.
I intend to ask people to examine, truly examine what is really going on in schools where NCLB has handcuffed teachers into a model that is not a fair or legitimate methodology to bring children into educated lives ….across the divide of economic disparity which was THE ONLY REASON IT WENT INTO EXISTENCE. Look at the data out there, the achievement gap is widening.
Link | October 5th, 2006 at 4:35 pm
Doug wrote,
Sarah and I both work with kids who have desperate difficulties in school, and in their lives away from school - hers more than mine, I gather. We recognize the importance of an education for them, as well as for their more privileged peers. I would argue that my standards are higher than those which come from a textbook company or an auditing agent who checks to see if boxes have been checked, and if pages have been turned. Because of federal control, we are being forced to either leave children behind or impede the progress of those who are more capable. I’m looking for a way to work to a high standard in a climate that has become more politicized as a result of regulations that are crippling us. When the success of a whole group is the primary function of education, learning is left behind. Individual successes go unrecognized, uncelebrated, and uncounted. What’s the point in that? It’s wrong.
Learning to read is a process. Finishing the text book is meaningless if the kids don’t understand it. I know how to teach kids to read. My standards are high. NCLB’s success criteria are ridiculuous. Nobody knows how to get every kid to pass a test. It’s never been done ANYWHERE. The media and the government have sold you, the public, a bill of goods, and you’ll be left with what you bought. A disaster. If there is any experimenting, it’s your federal government doing it, and kids are suffering. NCLB is a vast, expensive, immoral, destructive experiment designed to demonstrate that schools are failing. Attacking the messenger will not get you better schools.
Link | October 5th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
Tracy W wrote,
Okay, so we’re agreed that it is a good thing to teach every kid how to read and do basic maths.
And you have not supplied any evidence that teaching every kid how to read and do basic maths legitimises “the idea that you get ‘yours’ and let the rest fall to the sea”.
Next step - 1st grade requirements does not seem to be a feature of NCLB, which only mandates testing starting in grade 3. I can see no reference to any requirements in grade 1. Presumably therefore these requirements are made by your state or school district.
It sounds like your school district or state (I am not sure who is responsible) has picken a completely stupid way of going about trying to meet the requirement for all kids to learn to read and do basic maths (which I am using as a loose catch-all term to cover that maths that as adults will allow them to adjust recipes, check political claims, calculate taxes, pretty much everything pre-calculus). This is a shame, but whatever school districts were doing before NCLB was evidently leading a lot of kids also not learning how to read or do basic maths.
To solve a problem, it is useful to first identify what the problem is. The problem here seems to be whoever is selecting the curriculum and creating the detailed requirements for your school. If I have identified the source of your problem correctly(a big “if”), then removal of the NCLB does not strike me as something that would lead to more kids to learn how to read and do basic maths.
Perhaps more explicit requirements in the NCLB would be a better solution - perhaps tougher standards for states and/or school districts (as opposed to teachers, who as you say have limited control).
Or perhaps some more radical reform may lead to more kids learning to read and do basic maths.
What do you think is the right method to get schools to teach all kids (bar those with serious cognitive disabilities) to learn to read and do basic maths?
Individual successes go unrecognized, uncelebrated, and uncounted.
Well, why don’t you celebrate and recognise them? When a kid succeeds in improving their reading ability, write a nice note home to their parents/guardians saying how wonderful it is. Then have a toast to your success with your fellow teachers in the staff room. And if the counting thing is really important to you, set up a spreadsheet for the purpose.
Indeed, I am willing to make a firmer offer. If you feel a kid’s individual success should be celebrated, please email me and I promise to make sure to raise my glass in honour of your and the kid’s success. Depending on how often your kids succeed I may adjust the amount of alcohol I consume each toast, or even switch to a non-alcoholic drink for this purpose though. I will still be celebrating and recognising.
And if no school can get 100% of all kids to pass a test - what are you worried about? All schools will fail and some other political solution will come up. Hopefully in the meantime a lot more kids will have learnt to read and do basic maths.
Link | October 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
Tracy W wrote,
Hmmm, on second thoughts I had better limit my offer to Sarah and Doug. There are millions of kids around the world, and my bladder has its limits.
But if there is a lot of demand for recognising and celebrating individual kid’s successes, I am willing to set up a website to try to connect teachers who want their individual kids’ successes recognised and celebrated by someone other than themselves with concerned individuals who are willing to do some recognising and celebrating.
Link | October 8th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Doug wrote,
Tracy, you obviously have a sense of humor, and that counts for something - even though I doubt we will agree on many points where schooling is concerned.
I don’t have time now to respond to the substance of your comment(s) because I am at work preparing for a sub. I have to show up for jury duty tomorrow. Given her track record, Sarah will most likely have something to say.
Your comment is provocative, and deserves a response. There are several facets of NCLB sanctions that you seem to be unaware of. Your willingness to support student achievements marks you as a person who may listen. I will say, now, that testing and sanctions won’t improve anything. What we are worried about is that while “all schools…fail,” children suffer. This isn’t something that is just happening on paper, or in the papers.
Link | October 8th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
Sarah Puglisi wrote,
Tracy w. your rhetorical style and wit, not to mention the sharing so obviously of your tendencies toward tipping a glass for your causes, or my causes as it were, all take second place to something going on in my world today.
I’m planning a week’s worth of instruction, setting up centers, collecting good materials, loading homework folders , writing lesson plans, reading five different teacher manuals and organizing materials and work to flow from them for the week, seeing what scores are due in on which days,initiating a new computer requirement in math, making 100 card word rings for each student, running off small homebound libraries of innane(my thought) scripted phonics books, cutting paper to use for the math project, tearing out and stapling the week’s workbook pages and loading in folders, making the pattern books, changing the pet cage, watering the plants we started for Christmas pine trees, writing the Weekly Reports to parents where I celebrate student success, writing a school grant, collating the months reading and writing portfolios and somewhere in there finding time to address my own tummy issues.
But just because you are in second place doesn’t mean you are in no place….it’s time I shared with you something I learned at the knee of a teacher father and I teach.
When you want to discuss something with the world or with the practioner, or perhaps to announce your truth, it helps quite a bit to listen……..and to hold onto the context of the comments.
So I’m listening. I’m not going to tell you anything because you are here to tell.
Where did you garner that quaint expression “maths” ? When you were growing up I’m trying to place what area of our world gave rise to that expression. Its unusual. Colloquial. Rather like a woman clerk who runs (in her mind) our school library and calls it a “Lie-berry” until all of Hathaway knows it by this term. At times I can’t see well beyond it(the expression) to the meanings. In truth I ‘m not sure what you are talking about Tracy W., but I’ll be glad to place here a bit of what I heard…..
because i am listening….
“It sounds like your school district or state (I am not sure who is responsible) has picken a completely stupid way of going about trying to meet the requirement for all kids to learn to read and do basic maths (which I am using as a loose catch-all term to cover that maths that as adults will allow them to adjust recipes, check political claims, calculate taxes, pretty much everything pre-calculus).”
hum, maybe I should listen some more…
“then removal of the NCLB does not strike me as something that would lead to more kids to learn how to read and do basic maths.”
So still listening ……
“If you feel a kid’s individual success should be celebrated, please email me and I promise to make sure to raise my glass in honour of your and the kid’s success. Depending on how often your kids succeed I may adjust the amount of alcohol I consume each toast, or even switch to a non-alcoholic drink for this purpose though. I will still be celebrating and recognising.”
Still listening…..
“And if no school can get 100% of all kids to pass a test - what are you worried about? All schools will fail and some other political solution will come up. Hopefully in the meantime a lot more kids will have learnt to read and do basic maths.”
Tracy W. I hear every word you are saying. It’s in part why I teach. When I encounter work like your work I know that we have many long days ahead of us in the world of education, many and many long nights to go. I hope I can work well enough and with my health be strong enough to persist in a job that asks me to call forth my listening and caring capacities so that I, Sarah Puglisi, never forget the why of what I’m here to do.
For tonight I’m returning to a mountain of tasks and two hands to do the work, having heard Tracy W. loud and clear. And in my glass is a really nice elixhir of compassion and empathy. We teachers tend to toast with the good stuff. And care with the heart.
Link | October 8th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
Doug wrote,
Well said, Sarah. And now, past my dinner hour, which I did not share with my wife and children this Sunday evening, I am putting the final sub plan on my desk so that I can go home to grade the pile of papers I found when I walked in here this afternoon.
To further caring and sharing, we should all spend some time listening - to one another. There is, indeed, work to do.
Link | October 8th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
Tracy W wrote,
From my point of view, the phrase “math” is a funny piece of language, when the proper word in New Zealand is of course “maths”.
Anyway, I highly appreciate all the work you are doing, and my offer to celebrate and recognise your kids’ individual successes is genuine, as well as humourous.
But all the hard work you’re putting in does not mean that your analysis that the NCLB is the cause of your schools’ problems is correct. Nor does it provide me with any reason to believe that the NCLB legitimises “the idea that you get ‘yours’ and let the rest fall to the sea”. It’s nice that you are listening to my questions, but answers would be more convincing.
Nor does it convince me that process is more important than teaching kids how to read and do basic maths.
You respond to my questions by citing how much hard work you are doing, and seem to be implying that a person who is not a teacher has no authority to question a teacher’s practices or a teacher’s belief that the NCLB legitimises “the idea that you get ‘yours’ and let the rest fall to the sea”. This is also not at all convincing to me.
Link | October 9th, 2006 at 12:30 pm
Doug wrote,
Tracy, I’ve seen the term, ‘maths’, in the NZ bloggers’ work. I get that.
But I do think that you are not paying attention to what is being said here. In order to address the STANDARDS that are TESTED by NCLB, underperforming and mostly POOR children are being PACED through a federally mandated curriculum as a result of mandatory sanctions. The RICH people don’t give a damn as long as THEIR KIDS are making it - too bad for everyone else, they say.
Like you,
WE THINK IT’S WRONG.
WE KNOW BETTER.
Unlike the standards, kids come to us as individuals. When a 5 year old comes to kindergarten without knowing the name for the color red, for instance, or how to speak English…doesn’t it stand to reason that they have further to go…more to learn than a kid who has been read to every day, goes to gymnastics classes and violin lessons?
NCLB is a crime against children, but you aren’t listening. It’s a simpleminded answer to a very complex problem, and it’s the WRONG answer.
Link | October 9th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
Sarah Puglisi wrote,
Hum, New zealand…and you have read of course of your many premire educators there. A great many of my early days in teaching referenced a wonderful New Zealand woman educator with Maori children. I learned a great deal reading from New Zealand educators.
Tracy W. I just posted onto this site by way of my frustration with inequity in NCLB, with “take-over” with a very poorly thought out political “solution”. In a sense I found this out of a desire to reconnect with the why of what teaching is really about as I was being forced to parrot a script. It would be very hard for me to imagine the realities in New Zealand or even in Minnesota without context, explanation and certain sharing of points of view which I kind of did here onto the place created by someone who resonated for me deeply, or seemed to have a kind of integrity structure around teaching I understoodk and further he had something I so obviously lacked-which I’ll say was his experience, education, research tools and much more insight and I’m sure training. I’m a fairly antecdotal classroom teacher in a neighbothood you won’t go into, even on a vacation to this fair continent.
I do work hard, I do prefer to talk to those teaching or within the NCLB context to some extent because it’s rather hard to dump it all onto someone’s web site. Just haul over to my blog which is called A Day In The Life-you can find it on the side here and post these comments there and I’ll simply tell you to stop taking quotes out of context and arguing your own arguments and to figure out a bit more about NCLB if it’s so compelling to you. I can even do a NCLB 101. I certainly see you need it. Or better yet…get yourself hired into LA Unified. They are a great way to hit the ground running…..and the mess of it is all there grinding away.
As I have stated to you twice, I often speak to my meanings as well as I can, but I am not in doing so attempting to defend myself, my life, my existence as a teacher, my right to have formed points of view or standing for another’s misperceptions…. and of course this is devolving into that…and then in the end, you must kind of like an argument. And I rather prefer you haul it over to my space. I feel really, really badly that anything I wrote produced this on this blog that I value so highly. I especially find it ridiculous in a writing that was about a teacher considering what we do…praxis…and talking of things that are a little bit more important than just a tit for tat pecking contest between a couple of people not able to write to meaning at that level….
I kind of unintentionally by dialoging about a growing divide occurring in America in have and have not and access to good education which is widening under an ill-intended political act, somehow said something you aren’t having any of. … I wrote from my context because teachers have limited I think what they have said over these last few years, and I am forced to become more articulate and savvy about presenting some of the issues found in our current educational settings, really for the good of children I see being hurt in this NCLB prodcess in my room and at my site.
Tracy W. it’s a point of view. And I really feel badly you want a data set or a research model to corraborate it, or else. But you can find that data for it is being developed. It’s just you need to look for it in another manner. Try searching , “achievement gap-widening”.
That said I will watch how I say things, and I will consider you and listen to you….if only to verify to myself that you represent to me those that in not knowing my reality can set yourself up as a judge of it. And that, is something I’m hearing. Considering… and can take for what it is worth.
Link | October 9th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
Graham Wegner wrote,
Wow, after reading this whole conversation in the comments here, I am very glad that we don’t have NCLB here in Australia (and I’m pretty sure NZ doesn’t have it either!) and that all Antipodean educators should fight tooth and nail to stop it ever becoming a “good idea” that we should try down under. Our own system is full of flaws as well, but the basic premise of teachers using their own professional judgement and being creative in their implementation of the curriculum is still highly valued by the teaching profession and the system itself. However, teacher-bashing is a favourite media sport throughout our country and we too are facing more and more political interference under the guise of that buzzword of buzzwords, ACCOUNTABILITY. Sarah, Michaele and Doug, I’d have you teaching my own kids any day of the week and testing be damned - a teacher’s professional take on a child’s progress is so much more important. And it would be nice if public monies were spent in pursuit of strengthening the classroom teacher’s position and program.
Link | October 9th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Doug wrote,
Graham, it is good to have you weigh in on this discussion. Sarah feels that she may have sent the conversation off-course, but I think you summarize the issue nicely. And her contribution, as well as Michaele’s and Brian’s, is valuable.
Professional judgment was at the root of my concern in the original post. Whether we call them “best practices” or “mandatory interventions,” it doesn’t matter, if the kids in the room aren’t getting whatever someone else says those kids need. The teacher has to do more than fly on autopilot.
One thing we do know: testing is not teaching, and tests don’t give teachers any information they can’t see with their own eyes each day. But we see so much more! That’s the part that our critics can’t - no - won’t, understand. They’ve cast us as the problem, and want to tell us what to do, without knowing what any of it means. They call them “failing schools.”
I’ve been thinking of late about how the NZ and Australian bloggers are writing about reform from a whole other point of view - one that is not so rancorous, perhaps. The political climate here in the US is beginning to heat up, and teachers are tops on some people’s villian lists.If you look at the technorati links for this post, you’ll see what I mean. I quit reading the D-Ed guy’s posts about how off-track I am because the criticism comes from a point of view that wants to see an end to public schools. I don’t have time for pointless speculation and sniping. I suppose its inevitable to draw fire for speaking up.
I heard a quote on the radio today from Franklin Roosevelt:
I titled this post pretty well, I think, don’t you?
Link | October 9th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Sarah Puglisi wrote,
“We all are empowered. We each are responsible.”
Doug Noon
“Who bears more responsibility: the people who produce the high stakes tests and scripted curricula, the people who demand they be inflicted on children, or the people who use them day in and day out?”
Susan Ohanian
(and that for me is ultimately keeping me up at night) sarah:(
“Must the citizen even for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right.”
—Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience
“One of the duties of the State is that of caring for those of its citizens who find themselves the victims of such adverse circumstances as makes them unable to obtain even the necessities for mere existence without the aid of others…. To these unfortunate citizens aid must be extended by government�not as a matter of charity but as a matter of social duty.”
—Franklin Delano Roosevelt, to the New York State legislature, Jan. 1931
“The question is: How successful can an education law be that makes teachers the enemy?”
—Michael Winerip, New York Times, 7/12/06
Link | October 9th, 2006 at 7:37 pm
Mark Ahlness wrote,
Holy Crud, Doug!
This incredible conversation deserves a hyperlinked archive, each comment a link…. what a wonderful tale.
My piddling 2 cents is to get back to what you started with, WAY back at the top of this, when you mentioned process, as opposed to content.
Even teaching 8 and 9 year olds, process trumps content. Young minds need content, for sure - gotta get those factual pieces in there when they are young… BUT, process reigns supreme. My kids will learn how to learn this year. They will learn how to collaborate, how to learn new systems - fearlessly. This IS my job, no question in my mind - to show them how to do this. This will change their lives, empower them as they grow up. If I do not do this, I am negligent.
How does this fit into NCLB?
Answer from the feds: “Huh?”
Link | October 9th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
Tracy W wrote,
BUT, process reigns supreme. My kids will learn how to learn this year. They will learn how to collaborate, how to learn new systems - fearlessly. This IS my job, no question in my mind - to show them how to do this. This will change their lives, empower them as they grow up. If I do not do this, I am negligent.
How does this fit into NCLB?
If you want your kids to learn how to learn, then surely this includes teaching them to read?
A person who can read has learnt a highly important skill for future learning.
And arithmetic is a vital base for learning advanced mathematics and all its applications. If you do not know basic arithmetic a large number of careers are cut off to you, from engineering to medicine to carpentry. It also has a large number of direct uses.
That’s how the NCLB’s objectives of ensuring all kids learn reading and basic maths fits into all your goals.
Again, if this is not important, then which kids do you believe don’t need to learn to read and do basic maths, with or without learning how to collaborate or learn new systems fearlessly?
Link | October 11th, 2006 at 2:03 pm
Tracy W wrote,
In order to address the STANDARDS that are TESTED by NCLB, underperforming and mostly POOR children are being PACED through a federally mandated curriculum as a result of mandatory sanctions.
Before the NCLB, lots of kids were failing to learn to read too. So you haven’t convinced me that the NCLB is at fault there. How does the NCLB explain the failure of kids to learn to read before it was introduced?
In 1992, 31% of kids failed to reach basic scores in reading in fourth grade, according to http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/main2005/2006451.asp Whatever schools were doing back in 1992, it was failing to teach kids to read.
The pacing of your curriculum sounds terrible, but it’s the way your state or school district (I’m still not sure which) has chosen to try to read the NCLB’s goals. You have not produced any evidence that it’s the fault of the NCLB per se. And whatever your state was doing before the NCLB, it meant a lot of kids didn’t learn how to read.
The RICH people don’t give a damn as long as THEIR KIDS are making it - too bad for everyone else, they say.
Who says this? Can you please provide quotes of any people saying this?
And is it not possible that some people regardless of income, including some politicians, have looked at the long track record of schools to fail to teach kids how to read and do basic maths, and decided that something needs to be done differently because those people cared for other people’s kids? And that might be the cause of the NCLB?
Look, the NCLB might not be the right solution. But whatever schools were doing before the NCLB was evidently failing a lot of kids. What do you propose in its place?
NCLB is a crime against children, but you aren’t listening. It’s a simpleminded answer to a very complex problem, and it’s the WRONG answer.
Okay, what’s the right answer? I’m listening.
One thing we do know: testing is not teaching, and tests don’t give teachers any information they can’t see with their own eyes each day.
Perhaps not. But tests can give people outside classrooms that they can’t see with their own eyes. And the past evidence is that a lot of kids have been failing to read or do basic mathematics. However aware teachers have been that their kids are failing to learn to read, this has not been translating into kids learning to read.
Plus teachers are hardly the only variable here. The curriculum at DOug’s school seems to be more at fault than any teacher, and that was imposed either by the state or the school district. Without tests, how does the state or the school district know if kids are learning to read?
The hope of the NCLB is that by testing kids and holding schools and school districts accountable for the test results, the schools will start coming up with ways of teaching all kids to read and do basic maths. Do you have any evidence that not testing kids will lead to more kids learning to read and do basic maths? Was your school district all that caring about whether all kids learnt before the NCLB? Was it efficient back then? And if so, then how do you explain that in 1992 31% of 4th graders hadn’t reached the basic score in reading?
What’s your alternative for ensuring that all kids learn to read and do basic maths?
Link | October 11th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
Brian Crosby wrote,
Tracy – I have a somewhat unique vantage point to the questions you ask because I have taught for 26 years – my experience has been divided between high achieving private schools and public schools and low achieving private schools and public schools. Presently I teach in a school district of 65,000 students K – 12 with over 60 elementary schools. I teach 4th grade at one of the lowest income schools in the district and my wife teaches fourth grade at one of the very highest income schools in the district. Her school’s test scores had them averaging at about the 90 percentile in reading and math and my school averaged around the 38th percentile which is up from 8 years ago when it was at about the 32nd percentile. If you look at the parents at her school over 95% have graduated from college – over 50% of my school’s parents never got past 4th grade.
You ask – “If you want your kids to learn how to learn, then surely this includes teaching them to read?”
You are right. Learning to read is paramount to success in school and in life. I think you are assuming we don’t get that or don’t think that is important – you are wrong. The issue is that students that start out in Kindergarten at my school are already 3 years behind. When my kindergarten teachers assess their students at the beginning of the year only 4% know the alphabet at all, only 6% can count to ten and 30% speak no English. The Kindergarteners at my wife’s school show up and 98% of them know their alphabet both in small and capital letters, and 98% can count to 20 (not just 10).
However, the kindergarten curriculum and standards assume kids already know those things (and much more) so at my wife’s school they blast off right into Kindergarten curriculum, while at my school the teachers spend until December teaching them their letters, numbers, how to sit, basic manners – while at my wife’s school they are already learning to read words and some are already reading books – because not only did they know the alphabet, most of them know the sounds the letters make. At my school now they are ready to learn sounds, but that is complicated by the fact that many kids are having to learn 2 languages at once and the letters make different sounds in each language and since it is a high poverty area the students who are native English speakers have parents that were not successful in school (Lots of research shows poverty’s negative effects on learning) and so their English is poor and their math is worse. But the curriculum assumes that all is the same and does not take starting behind and having MANY fewer resources at home to compensate for that.
My wife’s students go home to highly motivated, college educated parents that were successful students and know how “to do” school – organization skills, how to find things out, how to help or get help, what quality work looks like and when it needs to be done over. Their kids are involved in music and art and sports programs, have on average 3.5 internet connected computers per household (and parents that know how to use them), read to and with their kids, explain how the world works, take their kids on numerous trips and experiences – museums, parks, aquariums and other educational venues.
My students often come home to an empty house because Mom works 3 casino jobs that pay so little money (even though on average parents at my school work 45 hours a week) that they qualify for subsidized housing and free school lunch and food stamps. No one at home speaks English or they read at such a low level helping with school work pretty much isn’t going to happen very consistently – unfortunately these kids are already behind so they actually need extra help not less.
The standards and the testing that go with them do not take into account that students are generally only going to grow a years worth in a year. They only value being at grade level. So as a teacher you are faced with a system that doesn’t value that this first grader that came in 3 years below grade level grew over a year’s worth of growth in one year, what an incredible job you are doing – instead all the testing points out is that they are not at grade level so you are inadequate – not doing the job.
So to make up for the lack of literacy it seemed to make sense, to some, that kids that go to poverty schools that are behind should do extra reading and math and forget about science and social studies and art and PE and music, because these kids need extra time in literacy. Bad mistake – why? Well for kids to be successful readers they have to understand and make connections with what they read. For example you might not like reading books about baseball because you don’t know much about it, haven’t played it yourself, don’t know the rules well, don’t have the experience to know what is exciting or difficult, or funny, or scary, or historical about it, so it is boring to read about. Well these kids have very little background (schema) in anything. So when they read a story it is USUALLY boring and meaningless for the same reason. They make no connections to their own lives – they don’t get that that was the scary part or funny part because they’ve never seen that or experienced that in any way. Imagine if reading was just reading long lists of random words – page after page and you have the idea of how much these guys like to read. And where do kids learn about their world? In science and social studies and art and PE and music – and remember the higher income kids come to school already at grade level so they have more time to do these things that help them understand their world even better and so read even better.
To make up for that lack of schema teachers like Sarah and Doug and I try to spend time in their classes having kids experience some of those things so that reading has meaning and student reading levels increase – but that takes time, a lot of time and we are not given that time.
Think of this – the world record heaviest person weighed something like 1,400 pounds. But let’s imagine that someone weighing 800 pounds goes to a doctor. The doctor does tests and guess what? That 800 pound man scores at the 1st percentile for health. The doctor puts together a program and the man loses 100 pound per year for 4 years. He now weighs 400 pounds, can actually walk on his own and spends less time in bed. The doctor did a great job right? Not if he is rated like schools and teachers are – because at 400 pounds that man is still grossly overweight and will still score at the 1st percentile on a health test. The Doctor is inadequate – did not get his patient to make adequate progress. I mean come on – after all those doctor expenses and 4 YEARS he still scores at 1% health wise.
Well Tracy, many, many of our students come to us with “800 pounds” of learning issues – and even after we work our hearts out for years they have made great progress, progress we should all be proud of, but instead we are said to be inadequate – that’s the rub.
As for rich people not giving a damn – when I talk to the parents at my wife’s school they seem to understand to a point – but it’s not a subject that changes who they vote for. If they were going to vote for George Bush for president and they just figured out that maybe NCLB isn’t good policy they didn’t change their vote to someone else because of that – it’s just not the thing that is going to make them change their vote - and their kids are doing well, where’s the motivation? Remember – when they research public attitudes toward school people overwhelmingly say that schools are bad – but in the same survey they say that the school their kids go to is doing a good job – it’s those other schools.
Hope that helps some.
Link | October 11th, 2006 at 7:39 pm
Sarah Puglisi wrote,
Brian,
It surely helps Sarah, I can speak to that….. I’ll be putting this in my all time favorite things to read, along with a few other Borderland high points of my year…. Thank you very much for this writing. Coincidentally tonight on my blog I was writing to these same notions but in my obvious distress coaxed my husband into the latter part of the entry and in his way he addresses this same kind of dual reality …poor versus endowed. I think central to my perspective is the notion that whatever we do attempt to do educationally knowing I chose to teach in poverty because I grew up in the frame it was the reflection or mirror of myself and our society’s “health” ,anyway, whatever we do …this work in NCLB that is an experimental construct and now a very sad day reality for my students…it is widening the achievement gap and lessening the quality of experience to such a degree I’m losing hope and I’m in a heavy grieving process.
And in that place a pot shotting, quote or context twisting person who is demanding my “answering” to them in any fashion, is really not of use to my process. What you wrote, thank you , so very much. I have a group of core teacher friends to take this to in the morning as we join together to hand hold and face the day.. Thank you. We had the discussion at lunch today….are there folks who do understand??// And then you show me that person. You know you are always welcome in Room 10 in Hathaway in Oxnard and will be there in written form tomorrow on my “Wall of Inspiration”
Sarah
Link | October 11th, 2006 at 8:51 pm
Moving at the Speed of Creativity » Blog Archive » Thoughts on teaching and authentic learning wrote,
[...] Mark Ahlness brought Doug Noon’s excellent post “Contested Ground” to my attention today. Several ideas Doug brought up grabbed me in this post. The first was this paragraph: Being a teacher means too many things for me to say that I know how to do it well. I surely don’t know how to move a group of kids to universal competence when their needs span the curricula for 4 different grade levels, and when they come with varying interests, talents, and beliefs about themselves and about school. But I do know how to connect with students through conversation. I am a noticer of insight, and I am a celebrant of the very good question. I know how to encourage kids to make strides on their own, working for things that I could never teach them directly. [...]
Link | October 11th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Graham Wegner wrote,
I was going to pipe in again but nothing I could write could top Brian’s effort. Beautifully summarised - it may even be better than your inspired comment on Constructive Learning and that’s a big call.
Link | October 11th, 2006 at 9:42 pm
KDeRosa wrote,
I’d like to respond to Brian Crosby’s comment in which he concedes that he doesn’t know how to get kids up to speed who come to him far behind and that these kids can’t make more than a year’s worth of progress in a given school year.
I’ll provide a counterexample which shows that Brian is wrong. Let’s see if we can construct our own knowledge based on this counterexample.
The City Springs School in the inner city Baltimore was the worst performing school district in Baltimore City in 1998. It was, and continues to be, loaded with the same kind of low-performers that Brian describes. No doubt, the home lives of these children was at least equally as bad. Median First Grade CTBS scores were at the 28th percentile in 1998. This is your typical inner city school.
Then they changed the curriculum to one of those unfashionable basic skills “canned” curriculums that most of the commenters find so primitive and goes against all their faddish notions.
Within two years (2000) median CTBS scores had risen to 75th percentile. By 2003, the scores had risen to 99th percentile.
See scores here.
Now these low-performers are performing at least as well as their middle-class peers. Same kids. Same teachers. Same bad environment. More than a year’s gain in student achievement per year. Different curriculum.
Have you discovered the answer yet or am I going to have to teach it directly?
Link | October 12th, 2006 at 5:03 am
Doug wrote,
I think that’s a good idea. Get a job in an elementary school classroom. Be the teacher for 1 year. Report back when you know something based on real classroom experience. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and you have no valid claim to know.
The difficulty here is a reality vs. perception dispute. Truth claims about objective reality can be challenged on the basis of either perceptual error or definitional disagreement. We’ll get nowhere trying to resolve such questions. Any further attempts to argue or prove anything should be taken to a judge. My post was not an argument, so much as an observation about the effects of recommendations for practice that come from outside a local context. Flexibility, and responsiveness to student needs is necessary for teachers to teach students. Best practices emerge from practice, they are not imposed as a matter of policy. The use of testing data to support an argument, and insistence on empirical proof for everything we know while simultaneously denying the validity of personal knowledge, is absurd.
I don’t want this thread to become a didactic exercise in futility, which it has already tended to be.
Link | October 12th, 2006 at 6:04 am
KDeRoas wrote,
I’m sorry, Doug, I didn’t mean to upset the delicate balance of the echo chamber you’ve set-up over here.
I really don’t need to say anything else after your last Derrida-esque comment. There is no sense arguing with that mentality.
And BTW, that was a lovely appeal to authority you made. Too bad it lacked any real authority. I have about as much experience as you do standing in front of a class of low performers and “teaching” so that the result is that they fail to learn anything that can be measured on a simple test. That doesn’t take much skill.
Link | October 12th, 2006 at 6:46 am
Doug wrote,
You’re right about one thing. There’s no point arguing.
Link | October 12th, 2006 at 7:11 am
Sylvia Pulisi wrote,
Wiki
Jacques Derrida (July 15, 1930 – October 8, 2004) was an Algerian-born French literary critic and philosopher of Jewish descent, most often referred to as the founder of “deconstruction” or, by less sympathetic theorists, “deconstructionism.”
His voluminous work had a great effect on continental philosophy and on literary theory. His work is often associated with post-structuralism and postmodernism although Derrida never used the latter term and repeatedly dissociated himself from it. (Other scholars within deconstruction, such as Philippe Lacoue-Labarthe, have characterized themselves as modernist rather than postmodernist in their outlook.)
Even critics of Derrida acknowledge that his philosophical project, whether adequately represented by the term deconstruction or not, involved extremely close reading of texts and tremendous erudition. He was also noted for his efforts to encourage the study of philosophy amongst French lycée students.
Link | October 12th, 2006 at 12:15 pm
Brian Crosby wrote,
Doug – FYI - Mr. Deroas is a mouthpiece for the Direct Instruction movement (as is “Tracy”). He cherry picked their test results off the Direct Instruction website. When you go to a source that compares results the school he cites does well, but not anywhere near the 99th percentile as he states.
The school he cites scores are here - http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/achievement/md/173
Your school here (Ithink this is your school) - http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/achievement/ak/371
My school here - http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/achievement/nv/375
To be fair City Springs does well – but not the absolute standout he claims. What a surprise!
Here is Susan Ohanian’s take on Direct Instruction - http://susanohanian.org/show_commentary.php?id=279
Gary Stager’s take on Direct instruction - http://www.stager.org/articles/october2004.html
There are also many articles that staunchly sing the praises of DI. Lots of research that support it and many digs at its sterilized approach. The reading component seems more popular than the math. A DI lesson was also the one President Bush was observing on 9/11 when he sat there.
Link | October 12th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
KDeRoas wrote,
I’m willing to bet that the kids are willing to trade in a little more “sterility” for a little less illiteracy.
No matter how you want to slice and dice the data, DI tends to reliably boost student achievement by about a standard deviation. That’s an awful lot of kids who could be educated and currently are not.
Link | October 13th, 2006 at 4:15 am
Katherine Parrish wrote,
I teach high school in Toronto, Canada, and I was so moved to read this post and the subsequent commentary. I felt a deep kinship and sympathy for the teachers here who are struggling because, as I read it, they’ve learned that teaching anything to anybody is a highly complex act, filled with social and political nuance, and they’re being asked to reduce their activity, practice, and students to something that can be measured with a one size fits all number.
If you’ve ever been caught in an ideological rift like this, and you’re the kind of person who cares about what you do, it’s heart-breaking. I once signed out from school an hour early and wrote in the book for my reason that I was “heart sick.” That’s what it feels like. I’m fortunate enough to be in a department where we’re all pretty sensitive to these nuances, and feel this tension, so if someone raises the, “what the hell am I supposed to do under these circumstances,” question, it’s met with support and wisdom. When you raise concerns like the ones raised above and are instead met with “what the heck is wrong with you that you can’t see how simple this is?” it’s enfuriating.
Sometimes, when I raise questions like this outside of my department, people tell me that I should go to grad school, because that’s where people who want to spend time thinking about what they do belong. Why is it that whenever a teacher starts to ask questions about practice, they’re told to stop thinking so much and just get on with teaching, as if it involved no such inquiry?
Reading these struggles here, I feel heart sick. I raise my glass to the teachers here, who so clearly *are* trying to teach their kids readin’, writin’ and ‘rithmatic.
Link | October 14th, 2006 at 4:11 am
aporia at imperfect offering wrote,
[...] a post over in the Borderland that sounds an awful lot like a conversation we had in our department yesterday: My classroom doesn’t work the way I want it to. In the Age of Accountability, I focus on process, and see product as a secondary concern. I’m an ill-fitting peg, uneasy about participating in what, for me, amounts to a charade - emulating archaic practices designed for kids from bygone eras. [...]
Link | October 14th, 2006 at 4:19 am
Tracy W wrote,
Interesting that the two criticisms Brian cites do not provide any actual evidence that DI fails to teach kids to read, or that the alternative methods the authors prefer actually teach kids to read as effectively as DI.
Or indeed any evidence that DI results in kids who can’t think, who just passively go along with systems. (Unless George Bush was taught by DI, which I don’t know of any evidence for - plus there’s Malcolm Gladwell’s hypothesis that George Bush’s problem was panic, he just wasn’t coping with the adrenaline spike due to lack of experience of having to function through life-threatening experiences - the commentators not only do not investigate whether George Bush was taught by DI, they also do not even mention alternative hypotheses for his behaviour, let alone provide any reason to dismiss them).
If Susan Ohanian has designed a method for teaching kids to read that is as effective as DI, that uses more interesting pacing and stories, then her criticism of The Pet Goat’s language would be rather more impressive. Unless she has, she doesn’t have an evidence base for what is and isn’t necessary to teach all kids to read. It may be possible to introduce proper names in stories at this stage, or it may just tip two or three small kids over the edge into failing. DI’s been field-tested, how have Susan Ohanian’s methods?
Let’s take Brian’s example of the 800-pound man whose doctor brings him down to 400 pounds. Now, imagine this man has an identical twin, who also weighs 800 pounds. This identical twin goes to a different doctor, who also prescribes a program. But the second doctor doesn’t just do that. The second doctor picks a program that has evidence that it has helped other people lose weight. The second doctor checks to see that her patient understands how to do every exercise, she checks to see that he understands how to shop, how to cook, and teaches these things if necessary (or, given comparative advantages, probably delegates this job to someone else). Her office calls the patient once a month for a check-up, see how he’s going on the method, adjusts it as necessary, etc. At the end of four years, he’s down to 250 pounds, is now running for buses, and seriously planning his first half marathon.
Does this first doctor look like such a success now?
Don’t you think the first doctor should be studying what the second doctor does, and copying it (or improving it)?
Mr. Deroas is a mouthpiece for the Direct Instruction movement (as is “Tracy”).
Well, why aren’t you? Or do you have another instructional method that works as well for disadvantaged kids as DI?
It’s this opposition to effective methods of teaching kids to read that makes me wonder whether you do think that all kids should be taught to read and do basic maths. Why on earth aren’t teachers out there demanding they be adopted this instant?
Link | October 15th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Doug wrote,
What standardized test data can tell us about best practice is a sticking point in this discussion, since the divergence of opinion seems depend on challenges to the validity of various forms of evidence. In the process of hashing this out, we’ve covered the same ground repeatedly. I need to address some of these issues when I have more time.
This thread has become an object lesson for me in online discourse. My role as moderator is one of several issues that I have been reflecting upon. I regret any hard feelings that may have been left by comments here. To those of you who have generously contributed to this discussion, thanks for your thoughtful remarks.
Link | October 15th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
Dean Shareski wrote,
After reading this discussion I thought of this saying I heard the other day.
“Accountability leads to Accountablism”
I can’t help but notice the distinctly American tone to the discussion. Being Canadian doesn’t exclude me from accountability but certainly I feel much more free in my ability as a teacher to determine what’s best for kids. I’m not sure this same discussion would likely occur outside of the US. Not completely a criticism but certainly an observation.
Link | October 22nd, 2006 at 8:24 pm
Doug wrote,
And one that’s worth hearing. Thanks.
Link | October 22nd, 2006 at 9:13 pm
Wesley Fryer wrote,
So who is “Trace W” anyway?
Link | January 21st, 2007 at 8:36 am