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	<title>Comments on: Getting Past &#8216;Villains&#8217; and &#8216;Fools&#8217;</title>
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	<description>(bôr'dər-lănd') n. Located on or near a frontier. An indeterminate area or condition.</description>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://borderland.northernattitude.org/2007/08/09/getting-past-villains-and-fools/#comment-47207</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on as usual Doug.  I have weighted in on this topic before if you click on my name you'll probably see the post I am thinking of.  In it I talk about this difference between standards and standardization and use the metaphor of musical old standards, such as The A-Train, as the kind of standard I think we need to aim for.  Jazz standards are extremely flexible, yet the tune must be recognizable for the music to 'work'.  School standards must have that same tension of flexibility and resiliency.  I'm looking at writing standards for my students this year, I want them to know what they are shooting for, it is something I picked up from my son's kindergarten teacher.  She had 6 pieces of children's writing each showing a different level of competence.  The students could see what they were aiming for and work to improve.  It also made it easier for me as a parent to understand her expectations.  Now don't ask me why they had writing standards in Kindergarten, jumping the gun if you ask me but the concept appeals.  I'll have to see what it will look like in Grade Four.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on as usual Doug.  I have weighted in on this topic before if you click on my name you&#8217;ll probably see the post I am thinking of.  In it I talk about this difference between standards and standardization and use the metaphor of musical old standards, such as The A-Train, as the kind of standard I think we need to aim for.  Jazz standards are extremely flexible, yet the tune must be recognizable for the music to &#8216;work&#8217;.  School standards must have that same tension of flexibility and resiliency.  I&#8217;m looking at writing standards for my students this year, I want them to know what they are shooting for, it is something I picked up from my son&#8217;s kindergarten teacher.  She had 6 pieces of children&#8217;s writing each showing a different level of competence.  The students could see what they were aiming for and work to improve.  It also made it easier for me as a parent to understand her expectations.  Now don&#8217;t ask me why they had writing standards in Kindergarten, jumping the gun if you ask me but the concept appeals.  I&#8217;ll have to see what it will look like in Grade Four.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Noon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Noon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarah Caban, I'm glad you've taken an interest here. Performance-based formative assessments aren't especially radical. What I think that the state of Nebraska did is to key them to the standards and to set standards for those assessments, as well. That's my understanding from Christensen's discussion. Teachers have options for how they choose to assess, so that the information is meaningful in context. For me, individually, I'd like to just get a little more organized.    

Reflective journaling is a good way for students - and teachers - to begin doing this. It takes time, though, for it to become a useful habit. Like most habits, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah Caban, I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve taken an interest here. Performance-based formative assessments aren&#8217;t especially radical. What I think that the state of Nebraska did is to key them to the standards and to set standards for those assessments, as well. That&#8217;s my understanding from Christensen&#8217;s discussion. Teachers have options for how they choose to assess, so that the information is meaningful in context. For me, individually, I&#8217;d like to just get a little more organized.    </p>
<p>Reflective journaling is a good way for students - and teachers - to begin doing this. It takes time, though, for it to become a useful habit. Like most habits, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Caban of My Wonderful World</title>
		<link>http://borderland.northernattitude.org/2007/08/09/getting-past-villains-and-fools/#comment-47155</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Caban of My Wonderful World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug, 

I recently discovered your Blog and I've been transfixed ever since.  I  look forward to coming back!

Thanks for providing all the great links and resources in this most recent post. When I have a free moment, I intend to listen to the full panel discussion between Dorn and Christensen and read the summary of Nebraska's STARS program. At first glance at least, it appears to be a step in the right direction!

You mention that you're thinking of designing your own performance-based formative assessments. You continually express concerns with NCLB and 'standardization', but not standards as organically intended (i second Ms.Whatsit in my enjoyment of this discussion, by the way!). I'm wondering: other than the Nebraska approach, have you found any other examples of states, school districts, or other administrative units that are "getting it right"  with regard to developing standards? It will be exciting to see how Nebraska's system fares over the next few years! I would encourage educators and administrators with knowledge of successful programs to present them in this forum. 

Also, I think Sarah Puglisi brings up an excellent point regarding the  need to motivate disadvantaged students to love to learn and take ownership of their educations. One of the most successful tactics I've seen to achieve this: student-designed and conducted assessments (with teacher guidance, of course). Last summer, I interned at an educational reform non-profit (&lt;a href="http://www.facinghistory.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Facing History and Ourselves&lt;/a&gt;) that works with teachers in Boston Public Schools. In a number of the classrooms I visited, students were asked to continually reflect on their performances. For every paper and test completed, students described their efforts, results, and lessons learned for application to future assignments. Then, at the end of the year, they compiled portfolios showcasing their work according to a number of criteria, e.g. most challenging assignment, most proud achievement, most enjoyable, etc. When I chatted with the middle-school aged students (I had the task of 'assessing' their portfolio presentations), I was extremely impressed with their metacognitive skills, enthusiasm, and ownership of their work as a result of this process. Of course, this was a relatively informal classroom exercise, not a statewide approach to standards. Still, I'm wondering: Do you know of other instances where students are directly involved in the assessment process? Do you have thoughts on more actively engaging students in the development of standards, maybe even in your own classroom? Thanks again to you and the others for their comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug, </p>
<p>I recently discovered your Blog and I&#8217;ve been transfixed ever since.  I  look forward to coming back!</p>
<p>Thanks for providing all the great links and resources in this most recent post. When I have a free moment, I intend to listen to the full panel discussion between Dorn and Christensen and read the summary of Nebraska&#8217;s STARS program. At first glance at least, it appears to be a step in the right direction!</p>
<p>You mention that you&#8217;re thinking of designing your own performance-based formative assessments. You continually express concerns with NCLB and &#8217;standardization&#8217;, but not standards as organically intended (i second Ms.Whatsit in my enjoyment of this discussion, by the way!). I&#8217;m wondering: other than the Nebraska approach, have you found any other examples of states, school districts, or other administrative units that are &#8220;getting it right&#8221;  with regard to developing standards? It will be exciting to see how Nebraska&#8217;s system fares over the next few years! I would encourage educators and administrators with knowledge of successful programs to present them in this forum. </p>
<p>Also, I think Sarah Puglisi brings up an excellent point regarding the  need to motivate disadvantaged students to love to learn and take ownership of their educations. One of the most successful tactics I&#8217;ve seen to achieve this: student-designed and conducted assessments (with teacher guidance, of course). Last summer, I interned at an educational reform non-profit (<a href="http://www.facinghistory.org/" rel="nofollow">Facing History and Ourselves</a>) that works with teachers in Boston Public Schools. In a number of the classrooms I visited, students were asked to continually reflect on their performances. For every paper and test completed, students described their efforts, results, and lessons learned for application to future assignments. Then, at the end of the year, they compiled portfolios showcasing their work according to a number of criteria, e.g. most challenging assignment, most proud achievement, most enjoyable, etc. When I chatted with the middle-school aged students (I had the task of &#8216;assessing&#8217; their portfolio presentations), I was extremely impressed with their metacognitive skills, enthusiasm, and ownership of their work as a result of this process. Of course, this was a relatively informal classroom exercise, not a statewide approach to standards. Still, I&#8217;m wondering: Do you know of other instances where students are directly involved in the assessment process? Do you have thoughts on more actively engaging students in the development of standards, maybe even in your own classroom? Thanks again to you and the others for their comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Puglisi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Puglisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a funny one but some of the tastiest blueberries were tiny ones,  liked them best.....we take them all, yes. And in them we find beauty. 

Peter Sacks book is really rather brilliant.
I have to recommend it again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a funny one but some of the tastiest blueberries were tiny ones,  liked them best&#8230;..we take them all, yes. And in them we find beauty. </p>
<p>Peter Sacks book is really rather brilliant.<br />
I have to recommend it again!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Noon</title>
		<link>http://borderland.northernattitude.org/2007/08/09/getting-past-villains-and-fools/#comment-46841</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Noon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Whatsit, thanks for the link to that story. Coincidentally I  found a version of the same story in a book, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/businesses-Dissecting-assumptions-ill-conceived-business-minded/dp/B000FDFQ3S/ref=sr_1_1/104-4328042-1324753?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1186867644&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"&gt;Why Can't Schools Be Like Businesses&lt;/a&gt;, earlier this summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Whatsit, thanks for the link to that story. Coincidentally I  found a version of the same story in a book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/businesses-Dissecting-assumptions-ill-conceived-business-minded/dp/B000FDFQ3S/ref=sr_1_1/104-4328042-1324753?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1186867644&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Why Can&#8217;t Schools Be Like Businesses</a>, earlier this summer.</p>
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