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	<title>Comments on: Emergence</title>
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	<description>(bôr&#039;dər-lănd&#039;) n. Located on or near a frontier. An indeterminate area or condition.</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Noon</title>
		<link>http://borderland.northernattitude.org/2007/08/24/emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-49815</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Noon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marco, teachers generally respond to discussions about theory in much the way you have here. The theory that &quot;tells us that interaction between human beings is humongously complex and complicated,&quot; and &quot;ends up not making an iota of difference at 9 am Monday morning,&quot; is not intended to be practical (yet) so much as a critique of cause/effect &quot;scientific&quot; education research that is being used to impose prescriptive practices on teachers, under the assumption that there is a &quot;best&quot; way to do things in all cases. 

I&#039;m reading a book called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Complexity-Emerging-Science-Order-Chaos/dp/0671767895/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0690436-0841544?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1189431481&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Complexity&lt;/a&gt;, by M. Mitchell Waldrop, which is written for a nontechnical audience, and gives the history of this scientific movement. It&#039;s a good read, written in a journalistic style....no big words or tortured syntax. 

I&#039;m not sure myself how useful this will be. But I do know that looking at the classroom from a variety of points of view yields different, and sometimes useful, understandings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marco, teachers generally respond to discussions about theory in much the way you have here. The theory that &#8220;tells us that interaction between human beings is humongously complex and complicated,&#8221; and &#8220;ends up not making an iota of difference at 9 am Monday morning,&#8221; is not intended to be practical (yet) so much as a critique of cause/effect &#8220;scientific&#8221; education research that is being used to impose prescriptive practices on teachers, under the assumption that there is a &#8220;best&#8221; way to do things in all cases. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading a book called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Complexity-Emerging-Science-Order-Chaos/dp/0671767895/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0690436-0841544?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1189431481&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Complexity</a>, by M. Mitchell Waldrop, which is written for a nontechnical audience, and gives the history of this scientific movement. It&#8217;s a good read, written in a journalistic style&#8230;.no big words or tortured syntax. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure myself how useful this will be. But I do know that looking at the classroom from a variety of points of view yields different, and sometimes useful, understandings.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Polo</title>
		<link>http://borderland.northernattitude.org/2007/08/24/emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-49789</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco Polo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very interesting, but isn&#039;t there a risk of over-intellectualizing what is, at bottom, simply human interaction? &quot;Complexity thinking&quot;, &quot;chaos theory&quot;, and those dense volumes by Henry Giroux, et al., can lead us down all kinds of tempting and fascinating paths, but end up not making an iota of difference at 9 am Monday morning. Do we need a &quot;complexity theory&quot; to tell us that interaction between human beings is humongously complex and complicated? Personally, I&#039;m not sure I find this useful information (tho of course others have). There&#039;re are too many impersonal passive verbs, for one thing, so I want to ask &quot;who?&quot; and &quot;how?&quot; and &quot;who benefits?&quot; (in a manner similar to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0609/S00358.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ms Fitts when she critiques Al Gore&#039;s movie&lt;/a&gt; An Inconvenient Truth).

I absolutely agree with Freire about the importance of the teacher&#039;s intelligent use of his/her authority: the teacher has authority, that cannot nor should not be denied, and the line between authority and authoritarianism is a very thin one. What stops you overstepping it? An understanding of authoritarianism and how it works in practice, what the costs and benefits are, would, to my mind, be more useful than complexity theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very interesting, but isn&#8217;t there a risk of over-intellectualizing what is, at bottom, simply human interaction? &#8220;Complexity thinking&#8221;, &#8220;chaos theory&#8221;, and those dense volumes by Henry Giroux, et al., can lead us down all kinds of tempting and fascinating paths, but end up not making an iota of difference at 9 am Monday morning. Do we need a &#8220;complexity theory&#8221; to tell us that interaction between human beings is humongously complex and complicated? Personally, I&#8217;m not sure I find this useful information (tho of course others have). There&#8217;re are too many impersonal passive verbs, for one thing, so I want to ask &#8220;who?&#8221; and &#8220;how?&#8221; and &#8220;who benefits?&#8221; (in a manner similar to <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0609/S00358.htm" rel="nofollow">Ms Fitts when she critiques Al Gore&#8217;s movie</a> An Inconvenient Truth).</p>
<p>I absolutely agree with Freire about the importance of the teacher&#8217;s intelligent use of his/her authority: the teacher has authority, that cannot nor should not be denied, and the line between authority and authoritarianism is a very thin one. What stops you overstepping it? An understanding of authoritarianism and how it works in practice, what the costs and benefits are, would, to my mind, be more useful than complexity theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Puglisi</title>
		<link>http://borderland.northernattitude.org/2007/08/24/emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-48430</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Puglisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the metaphor.

My year is starting unlike any other. With similarities and a kind of sweetness. It takes a long while for me to find the path and for my students to see how i will fit their paths. 
I enjoyed the extended exchanges here.

I&#039;m thinking of doing some watercolors after the last recess. 1stgrade rs enjoy this and i would like to see if i can actually say to you later that I was able to watercolor &quot;on the first day&quot;. That would be quite a thing. Perhaps I will ask them to draw what they think learning here together can be. ummm.
Very nice posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the metaphor.</p>
<p>My year is starting unlike any other. With similarities and a kind of sweetness. It takes a long while for me to find the path and for my students to see how i will fit their paths.<br />
I enjoyed the extended exchanges here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of doing some watercolors after the last recess. 1stgrade rs enjoy this and i would like to see if i can actually say to you later that I was able to watercolor &#8220;on the first day&#8221;. That would be quite a thing. Perhaps I will ask them to draw what they think learning here together can be. ummm.<br />
Very nice posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Fortnightly Links (27 August 2007) at teaching.mrbelshaw.co.uk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fortnightly Links (27 August 2007) at teaching.mrbelshaw.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Emergence - another great post by Doug exploring some of the complexity theory he&#8217;s been attempting to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Emergence &#171; Tom Kim</title>
		<link>http://borderland.northernattitude.org/2007/08/24/emergence/comment-page-1/#comment-48209</link>
		<dc:creator>Emergence &#171; Tom Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 26th, 2007 &#183; No Comments  I&#8217;ve been chewing over Borderland&#8217;s post on Emergence, in which he makes the point that the classroom is a complex [...]</description>
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