Iterations Toward Irrelevance
Wondering about how we lose touch with what everyone else seems to be talking about. At some point I stopped caring about popular music, for example. I listen to it on the radio now when the kids are in the car. But I don’t care about it like they do. I stopped paying attention to it when I got busy doing other stuff. Like everything else. John Prine’s on the Pandora Radio right now. He’s not pop, though, is he? Another example: I never saw a single episode of Friends until it was out of production. Lots of stuff is like that. I live in a cultural cul-de-sac.
I’m thinking about this because there’s been some blog chatter lately about Twitter. Graham Wegner and Will Richardson, for example. Some people are blaming Twitter for interfering with their blogging, which seems a bit strange. People start communicating through a channel that allows only short bursts of text, and they feel conflicted about not being more reflective. Then they write about that on their blogs. And I end up reading it and thinking about how twisted things can get. But that’s OK. ‘Twisted’ is lots of things I like.
Of course, there is the positive side. Chris Lott made the pro Twitter case several months ago asking,
Wasn’t it just a few years ago that blogs were being singled out because they were too ephemeral and constant complaints being aired about the lack of thought that went into such easy publishing? And before that wasn’t it the death of the essay and long form news? What about epic poems? Where is our Homer (and I don’t mean Homer Simpson)?
More recently, Chris published a link to Twitter Collaboration Stories, so we can maybe see a few new possibilities for this environment. I say, Ok, maybe Twitter isn’t “robbing blogs of their vigor.” I can see that it taps into an alternative semantic environment, and it’s better suited for some purposes than others. I get that. Tom Hoffman shared this post yesterday that compared Twitter with IRC. That was helpful since I’ve had just a tiny bit of exposure to IRC.
Guy Kawasaki says that Twitter made his website better, but that’s neither here nor there for me.
I was thinking about whether Twitter would be something that I’d want to look into, and what might happen if I did. Mostly, it didn’t look like anything I wanted to get close to. And then, this comment from Stephen Downes on Tom Hoffman’s post helped put the idea to rest. Downes said…
….My issue with Twitter is a bit different. I could not subscribe to anything like a reasonable number of Twitter feeds.
It would mean that I have to select some people to listen to and others to ignore completely. Twitter chatter really would be unintelligeble taken all out of context. Especially when people are commenting to people I don’t read.
Twitter creates group behaviour. It creates boundaries. It creates cliques.
I can’t afford to lock my attention to one group rather than to the wider network. So I can’t focus my attention on Twitter - I stay focused on the wider blogosphere and the web, however imperfectly.
The problem of limited capacity for attention is a regular issue for me in an elementary school classroom. But it isn’t just an auditory thing. Distractions of any kind require the ability to set something aside so that other (maybe temporarily) important things get done. I like to read and write as an escape from the classroom noise. Friends and connections are great, but they aren’t my focus. The family gets all that.
I’m going to let Twitter pass. I already don’t listen to podcasts or watch videos very much because they take too long to download, and the few I’ve heard are mostly not worth the wait.
I guess this is how we get to be sticks-in-the-mud. One technology at a time.

Tom Hoffman wrote,
Yes, I just flat out don’t need MORE interruptions. I don’t think skipping Twitter is a big deal because it is a pretty subtle tweaking of the knobs of other technologies, and particularly because Twitter itself is clearly a transitional step to something else. It feels more like Friendster than Facebook, if you know what I mean.
Link | October 26th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Dean Shareski wrote,
Although I like twitter and feel its benefits, I wouldn’t feel guilty if I were you. It’s all about networks and connections and if you’re feeling like things are working well for you, you don’t need twitter.
For me it’s Second Life. I’ve been in it, observed it a bit, but I’m not willing to invest the time.
While I agree with some of Downes’ opinions re: twitter, I don’t think that cliques and boundaries are always necessarily a bad thing. The Dunbar number suggests 150 is a reasonable number for people to have meaningful relationships. You also don’t have to “lock yourself in”. It’s just another connection tool.
That said, it’s not essential.
Link | October 26th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Jenny wrote,
I will admit to having jumped on the Twitter bandwagon and I am enjoying it. However, if it disappeared I don’t think I would be terribly disappointed.
Reading your post got me thinking about the other things I don’t do and the other technologies I don’t use. There seems to be a sense that certain technologies are must-haves and if you aren’t using them or doing something wrong. We make decisions all the time about how we will teach something or how to continue our professional development. And we can’t grab hold of all the options that are presented to us. Maybe, now that I’ve pondered this, I’ll feel less guilt when I pass on one of these must-haves.
Link | October 27th, 2007 at 2:34 am
Barbara S wrote,
My knee-jerk reaction to Will Richardson’s post was one of OMG…I am finally blogging for my own professional development and I am finally getting my students subscribed to blogs…and now it is passé. As a seasoned teacher who has read his blog since before he left the classroom and listened to him at NECC & TIE, I was dog-tired and feeling depressed. But after some sleep I realized that Will has always been on the edge, taking risks to find a better way to prepare students. It is a natural progression for him to take us all to the next level. Blogs are still good for their reflective nature, and to extend the conversation beyond one’s normal network. If the conversation is stale it is the fault of the people, not the tool. Twitter does have some educational benefits, but I also think that Twitter promotes cliques and boundaries.
Link | October 27th, 2007 at 5:28 am
Graham Wegner wrote,
Barbara, it’s ironic you talk about Will on the edge because I don’t see him using twitter all that much and if you read down into the comments on another Will Richardson post, you’ll read a comment from Darren Draper pointing that out. And Darren has posted one of the most irreverent takes on twitter that had me laughing out loud and realising that maybe knowing too much about a person’s traits and habits can sometimes be a bad thing. There is a lot of intalk and groups on twitter much like there is throughout the internet - a classic example is ning where at least the purpose of the group is spelt out and people know what to expect when they participate. The sort of cliques I sometimes see on twitter are a bit like the high school “cool kids” cliques where you have to be “known” to be included. And I’ve been just as bad whenever I get a twitter request by checking out who wants to connect and what benefit there would be to me by doing so.
I do like the banter that occurs on twitter with a wider group of educators beyond my own school - it does remind me of going to a country pub and seeing who’s around and I know that pub’s aren’t everyone’s thing either. Using this tool has helped me connect with others in the VTE sector, in universities, and other educational settings that don’t always happen “on blog”. I do agree with you, Doug, that in this age where there are infinite things to do with our time and attention but finite time to do it in, choosing wisely and without regret is the only way to manage it all. And I did like the deliberate irony of cut’n'pasting a twitter exchange moaning about a lack of reflective blogging into a blog post as a stand alone statement. It’s probably as twisted as I get - I’m not a terribly exciting person, you know. Although I am tempted to try a twitter experiment that would have me dump any person whose blog I already read and add only those followers who I don’t know - but I’m not sure that there would be any point to the exercise.
I’ll end this rambling comment here - you’d think that twitter would at least enable me to make succinct comments!!
Link | October 27th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Doug Noon wrote,
Graham, I didn’t say this in the post itself, but I do appreciate you folks sharing your angst and misgivings about Twitter in your blogs. It confirmed my suspicions that Twitter is not for me. I am, more than just about anyone I know, reclusive to a fault, and easily content with just a few social contacts. I live in the woods just a short hop from the arctic circle, after all.
Your pasting of the twitter exchange into your blog was the perfect comment. Thanks.
Link | October 27th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
Hans wrote,
Found your blog from Flickr after looking at one very good cranberry photo you had taken.
The phenomen about stop caring about popular music is well known. It comes at a certain age for many people. Trying to keep up with modern music and understanding its appeal could maybe be stimulating for the brain.
Best luck with your blog and your photos!
Link | October 27th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Chris L wrote,
I have a hard time taking Downes’ criticism– or any criticism of Twitter as “cliquish” too seriously. It is no more cliquish than blog conversations, blog rolls, RSS subscriptions and comments, etc. It foregrounds the simple fact that by their nature connective technologies create groups which are always necessarily limited overlays over “the whole thing.” Of course there ARE groups that have taken to Twitter, just as others have to blogs and IM and web chats and USENET and Facebook– to use those groups to represent the medium is ridiculous.
Passing up Twitter (or any other technology) is fine with me. I enjoy it because I don’t have a local community of peers in my profession, so Twitter allows me to be part of a different one, and because I’ve long felt that not everything I wanted to express (or hear from others) needed the relative permanence– and limitations in composition of– a blog post. I agree with Graham that it’s like hanging out at a pub. I understand why people choose not to. I also watch very little video, listen to few podcasts, and have real skepticism about Second Life… just to name a few!
But I do have to admit that the benefit of Twitter, much of which may depend on the way the person involved approaches information, was unclear to me at the beginning too. In fact, I was initially quite skeptical. It is, for my money, one of those things that defies simple explanation without experience. I started out wondering what could be more useless and now find myself quite grateful it exists. Not that everyone who is skeptical would be turned, but more than a few have reported the same phenomenon.
Link | October 28th, 2007 at 2:36 am
Doug Noon wrote,
It isn’t really the “cliques” part that gives me pause, Chris. I agree with you that they’re part and parcel for any social configuration. You may not know this, but it was a comment you made in your programming class - that blogging was something that a person had to experience in order to understand - which was the little push I needed to begin this blog. But in that case, I was already inclined to try it to begin with. Stephen’s comment addressed some of the logistical concerns I have with coherence in the environment.
One of the things about Twitter that I recognize is precisely that I, in fact, might have fun with it. And I don’t have time for that, just the same as I don’t have time to hang out at a pub. Well, every now and then, maybe, but I wouldn’t be a regular.
So to pick up on Jenny’s comment, How do we pick and choose?
Link | October 28th, 2007 at 10:04 am
Scott Laleman wrote,
I’m with you about Twitter, but for me, it’s not immediately seeing any advantage to it over a blog or IM. It seems to me like you’re just poking your nose in to see what folks are doing, and since most of the people I’d want to follow over twitter have a blog where they tell me what they’ve done, it doesn’t make any sense to me. Maybe I’m just not part of the right club, but it also seems like a big time suck that wouldn’t really help enhance my job in any way.
Link | October 29th, 2007 at 6:32 am
Doug Noon wrote,
“…a big time suck that wouldn’t really help enhance my job in any way.”
That’s about it.
Link | October 29th, 2007 at 6:43 am
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Link | October 29th, 2007 at 7:03 am
Brian Crosby wrote,
Hi Doug - I “Twitter” and I would agree that 1) You don’t need feel bad about missing out on anything. 2) However, I also agree it gives you the chance to have conversations about things (in this case edtech and teaching and nonsense) that I miss because there just aren’t many that know much about those topics around me (and maybe that should tell me something?) and it gives me a chance to shoot the breeze on those topics.
I also agree with the pub analogy … it’s kind of like that.
There are many social networks out there, and absolutely there isn’t time for a fraction of them. i.e. those I’ve talked to that do Second Life tell me that they often don’t have a life (no kids, no husband…). Not true in every case but many say that.
What is sometimes just too cool about Twitter is its immediacy - like last night when an earthquake occurred in California and the Twitterverse had info about it right away - someone that was in the quake Twitted and in 2 minutes others had found the epicenter and magnitude and it didn’t show up on the news for an hour. I know not necessarily a must … but kinda cool. Also at times you have a tech question or wonder if there’s an application that does whatever and you often get great feedback right away.
Has the snow started to pile up there yet? … we already had snow here in Reno, but its been pretty moderate since.
Brian
Link | October 31st, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Doug Noon wrote,
I’m glad for the feedback on this post.
Brian, I think the immediacy is precisely what I want to avoid.
Yeah… if I was a tweeter, you’d probably know that we’ve got a few inches of snow, and the temperature is above normal - around freezing - which is warm for Halloween.
Link | October 31st, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Chris L wrote,
Scott– the advantage is that many thing that come to me from my Twitter community don’t find their way to blog posts… for a long time or ever. Again, it’s like being in a social space and being part of a group conversation… some of those ideas and thoughts might later be captured in a blog post, but most are not. I find the value of things from my Twitter friends to be such that is has replaced some other ways I used to try to nose out the useful ideas. Note I’m talking about ideas, which are not necessarily sites or physical resources. For me, it is well worth the time. But I also believe that, like a group conversation of peers, it isn’t possible or rewarding to try to follow every single thread of every single simultaneous conversation. That way lies true madness.
If one doesn’t need or doesn’t want to deal with being part of a big group conversation, then they don’t need something like Twitter. For me it has become very nearly indispensable and obviously a resource of incredible valuable. Here’s the key point: the conversations that are happening on Twitter that matter to me are– for the most part– not happening anywhere else.
IM, strangely, is even further away from Twitter than blogging is.
Link | November 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Doug Noon wrote,
It’s interesting to me that this very same issue has come up in the Web Tools course I’m holding for the teachers I work with. Seeing the use for a tool isn’t a necessary precondition for picking it up, I know. Sometimes a use only becomes apparent after a period of experimentation, trial, and exploration. I recognize all that.
I see a larger issue than just Twitter pro and con. To me, and this was what suggested the title, I know I’m deliberately ignoring a trend that has spawned a new public space. Why? I think I’m busy enough already. It’s one of the things that the teachers who don’t want to maintain a blog tell me. I also don’t live in a city, though the people who love it there claim that it’s a very stimulating and vibrant experience. I believe that some of us, as Chris says, are content with the local contacts that we have.
Jenny’s comment above questioned whether there are “technology must-haves.” I suppose there are. Email is the main one I can think of. The photocopy machine is another. Telephones…and things that everyone expects you to have. Like an address. Nobody expects a teacher to have their own website. When that happens, the people who don’t join are completely lost to the rest of the world.
How many hermits do you know?
Link | November 3rd, 2007 at 2:41 pm
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