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	<title>Comments on: Putting it Together</title>
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	<description>(bôr'dər-lănd') n. Located on or near a frontier. An indeterminate area or condition.</description>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 12:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've read bits and pieces of Experience and Education, a staple of NYU's education major reading list but I barely remember what I read, as it so often happens with the deluge of reading required in college. Your post has triggered my memory somewhat and I'm compelled to go back and read the whole thing, using your summary as my framework for understanding the book. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read bits and pieces of Experience and Education, a staple of NYU&#8217;s education major reading list but I barely remember what I read, as it so often happens with the deluge of reading required in college. Your post has triggered my memory somewhat and I&#8217;m compelled to go back and read the whole thing, using your summary as my framework for understanding the book. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Noon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Noon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the historical reference, Daniel. The history of literacy does help to frame current policy discussions. I found a Google e-book for &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=-NcRAAAAIAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Psychology and Pedagogy of Reading&lt;/a&gt;. Also two articles on the &lt;a href="http://del.icio.us/noon/William_T._Stokes" rel="nofollow"&gt;Recent History of the Phonics Debate&lt;/a&gt; - one of which references Huey. It's amazing how durable this issue has been. I'm wondering why, and whether the reasons for its resurrection have changed over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the historical reference, Daniel. The history of literacy does help to frame current policy discussions. I found a Google e-book for <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=-NcRAAAAIAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover" rel="nofollow">The Psychology and Pedagogy of Reading</a>. Also two articles on the <a href="http://del.icio.us/noon/William_T._Stokes" rel="nofollow">Recent History of the Phonics Debate</a> - one of which references Huey. It&#8217;s amazing how durable this issue has been. I&#8217;m wondering why, and whether the reasons for its resurrection have changed over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 04:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, 

I read Experience and Education when I was in college studying Philosophy, and was amazed for the same reason. On a similar note, there was a presentation at the International Reading Association's National Conference in Atlanta two weeks ago on Edmund Huey's work, The Psychology and Pedagogy of Reading, which was published in 1908 and currently out of print. Note, this presentation came days after the DOE interim report on Reading First, which heavily emphasizes explicit phonics instruction, determined that the $6 billion program has had no effect on reading comprehension. Here's a quote from Huey, 100 years ago:
"Granting the care and completeness with which the method [phonics program of the period] ... it must be pronounced intensely artificial and adult in its conceptions, and destructive of right habits of reading and of using language generally... Besides to burden the young pupil with the cumbersome technique of such a method and to so fill his mind with the dead products of adult analysis is a crime against childhood which cannot long be suffered. Even if perfectly attained its ideal has not taught the child to read, and is most likely to permanently unfit him for intelligent natural reading." 

It's striking to think that many of these debates in education are a century old. Thanks for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, </p>
<p>I read Experience and Education when I was in college studying Philosophy, and was amazed for the same reason. On a similar note, there was a presentation at the International Reading Association&#8217;s National Conference in Atlanta two weeks ago on Edmund Huey&#8217;s work, The Psychology and Pedagogy of Reading, which was published in 1908 and currently out of print. Note, this presentation came days after the DOE interim report on Reading First, which heavily emphasizes explicit phonics instruction, determined that the $6 billion program has had no effect on reading comprehension. Here&#8217;s a quote from Huey, 100 years ago:<br />
&#8220;Granting the care and completeness with which the method [phonics program of the period] &#8230; it must be pronounced intensely artificial and adult in its conceptions, and destructive of right habits of reading and of using language generally&#8230; Besides to burden the young pupil with the cumbersome technique of such a method and to so fill his mind with the dead products of adult analysis is a crime against childhood which cannot long be suffered. Even if perfectly attained its ideal has not taught the child to read, and is most likely to permanently unfit him for intelligent natural reading.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s striking to think that many of these debates in education are a century old. Thanks for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>By: You can&#8217;t learn nothing&#8230; &#124; patterning experience</title>
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		<dc:creator>You can&#8217;t learn nothing&#8230; &#124; patterning experience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like Doug Noon&#8217;s Borderland blog and he often has thoughtful ways of putting a new spin on old ideas. This time, the new spin [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8230;For I Am the Binder Queen! &#124; Tending the Eclectic Kinder-Garden</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230;For I Am the Binder Queen! &#124; Tending the Eclectic Kinder-Garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] *Doug is adding to my summer reading list&#8230; [...]</description>
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