Expectations
My sixth-graders this year showed me something about how the “staus quo” is maintained.
A counseling intern working in the building did a weekly series of lessons on goal setting with my students. The kids occasionally responded to little surveys she gave them on various topics, and they discussed their answer choices. Coincidentally, toward the end of the year, the university hosted an I’m Going to College field trip for hundreds of upper elementary-level kids from around the district. The intern wanted to prepare the kids for this field trip, and she directed them to an online service that asked them questions about their interests, which presumably would suggest the sorts of career choices they might enjoy.
I figured it was a sign of critical thinking when several students reacted, “This is wrong!” as they read the results of the survey. “I don’t want to be a news reporter,” or “What’s this mean? It says I should go into Transportation.”
There was a lot of clicking on links to see exactly what kinds of work fell into these categories.
The I’m Going to College Day was entertaining. We arrived with a dozen other buses from district schools. Each class was herded around campus by 2 very nice guides who took us to see the library, some lecture halls, the registrar’s office, an empty dorm room, and the cafeteria where they all got an as-much-as-you-can-eat free lunch. That was a hit, even though it was hectic. Miss Alaska was there, too, autographing stuff the kids handed her. She was a big hit!
We attended some classes, too. The kids listened to professors from the engineering department tell about what engineers do, and they saw some cool demonstrations. We learned, among other things, that you can stand on a paper cup without crushing it if you fill it with sand. They also dissected cows’ hearts in a biology lab. A few were grossed out, but they were all pretty cool with it, and they did a good job. By the end of the day, most of them were convinced that college was a good place to go.
As a follow-up to the careers lesson, the counselor had the kids take another survey. This time they answered questions about the kinds of places they might like to live, and the various lifestyle choices they might make. Based on this, an income level necessary to support these choices was indicated. Going back to their career choices from the previous week, they checked which of them would provide them with the money they’d need to satisfy their lifestyle requirements.
Lots of talk broke out when they saw, for example, that the “transportation” worker didn’t earn the $89,000 dollar salary their middle class urban-dwelling plans required. So, what did they do? They revised their career choices, of course. They started looking for jobs that would help them meet their projected needs.
This was funny, since there were a lot of improbable matches. To hell with the interest survey! you could almost hear them thinking. One kid who truly hated to read or write decided he was going to be a federal judge. Perfect! This was easy. Who’d want to work at WalMart or Home Depot when you could be up there on the bench with the robes and the wooden mallet making important decisions?
When the lesson was over, and the intern turned the class back over to me, I decided to bring things back a notch closer to reality. As long as they were all thinking about careers and money, I figured, and as long as that seemed to be the main thing to consider when mapping your future, it seemed like a good time to do some quick math.
I asked if anyone knew what the minimum wage was. It’s around 6 bucks an hour, right? Well, imagine you got a good job earning maybe 10 bucks an hour (round numbers). Full time work is 40 hours a week. (This was news to some.) How much would that be? OK, take your 400 bucks and multiply that times 50, because you’ll need a couple weeks of vacation. The math whizzes call out, That’s 20,000 dollars a year. And then I say, Don’t forget to pay your taxes, so you need to cut that back by about 15 percent. Huh? Yeah, so that means you can count on paying what? Again, the math whizzes have their hands up and they call out, That’s $3,000 in taxes! OK, I say, How much do you take home? They figure that the “good” job, above minimum wage, would net them $17,000 a year, and this is a long way from their judge and heart surgeon pay.
I tell them that a lot of people have to work more than one job these days to get by. “My parents do that,” one kid says. “Mine, too,” says another. “Same here,” someone else says.
And this is another way that expectations are set. Schools are a piece of it, certainly. But what happens when everyone goes home? Corporate accountability is way out of style.
The status quo is the thing nobody wants to own. It’s the leaky faucet that someone else needs to fix.
In an achievement-oriented climate,
The emphasis is less on community and equity, and rather more on individual advancement and the need to satisfy investors and influential consumers. Education has come to resemble a private, rather than public, good.
And “equity” is a word for rationalizing the idea that if you want something, by God, you better damn well do what it takes to get it.
I was happy, weeks later, to overhear this kid tell one of his friends, “I’m gonna be a judge.” I do hope he goes for it. Who knows? Stranger things have happened.
The future has almost nothing to do with reality anymore.

Ric Murry wrote,
Doug,
Our counselors do the same type of thing each year. As a teacher who has had a computer lab for the past 7 years (in one form or another) I invite the counselors to use my computers when they conduct the online portion of the Career Search.
Three things strike me:
1) How middle school kids are astonished at how much it costs to live the lifestyles they support with their entertainers. Their rappers, actors, and celebrities of choice make their living off the throw-away money these kids get from their parents who are working two jobs.
2) How teachers tend to stifle the dreams of the students who want to be the lawyer, doctor, judge. If the common student has this desire, the teachers always (yes always) try to lead them away from that choice to something “more suitable” for them. Dream-stealers I call them.
3) How teacher salaries all of sudden don’t look too bad when done on an hourly scale comparison. [I do this after their teachers have convinced them not to follow their own dream.] Where I am (Georgia, USA) the first year salary for a 1st year teacher with a Bachelor’s degree is in the neighborhood of $35,000 (counting local supplements).
I have helped several students do the math.
190 days x 7.5 hours = 1425 hours a year (yes I know we do more off-the-clock)
$35,000 divided by 1425 hours = $24.56 an hour
This shocks them. Then when they find out a pay raise can come by getting a Masters degree (rather easy around these parts), that by their fifth year (age 27) they’ll be approaching $49,000 they are really amazed. Now they are around $34.00 an hour.
Education pays, especially if you are an educator!
Many of our student’s parents would be thrilled if they knew their child would be earning at $50,000 before they were 30 years old. Many of our teachers get upset when I show the students (who don’t have the ability to become a doctor) what they could earn as a teacher.
Perhaps it was the teacher who didn’t have what it took to be a doctor, and they project this onto their students. Then to know that within 5 years in the same profession, these kids could be earning what it took the current teacher 25 years to make is really a slap in the face.
Link | June 20th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Doug Noon wrote,
Ric, I don’t ever make predictions based on what I think someone is capable of. One thing experience has taught me: I am not a fortune teller. Over the years, I’ve seen it go either way. People surprise me all the time.
I also believe that dreams are for chasing - but kids should understand that, absent phenomenal good luck, some strategy is usually called for.
Link | June 20th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Mike Parent wrote,
Doug,
It’s been a while since I commented on your musings, but this one drew me in. As a high school principal, I am faced with the challenge and pressure of college admissions, goal planning, and future mapping. Kudos to you and your school for getting the kids to begin to think about college at such a ripe and impressionable age. More districts should do this in the middle grades as opposed to waiting for sophomore year.
I am intrigued by by the quoted text you posted. I am striving to impress upon my students the need and importance to be mindful and reflective of the local and global community and the ipact their decisions have on both of these as they plan their futures. I want them to see and understand the poverty and the need for moral and ethical action to combat it and other global issues. I find that I am counter-cultural in my sphere of influence; many high school ssimply want to see their kids graduate and go off to college without care for what those students have become or what contributions - or damage - they have made to their civilization.
Thanks Doug…
Link | June 20th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Nancy wrote,
I think there is too much pressure in our country for kids to go to college right out of high school (whether they need it or not!!). Many are not ready, I think kids could make informed decisions about what to study and where they want to study it if they went abroad, volunteered to build a house, shadowed people in interesting careers, etc. All three of my sons went to college at 17 then on to grad school/law school. I wonder if they might have made different decisions given some breathing room.
Link | June 21st, 2008 at 7:58 am
Charlie A. Roy wrote,
One thing I discovered by accident a few years ago was the lack of understanding about living costs by students coming from suburbia. I live in a medium sized town in downstate illinois with a large private university. Through certain contacts I ended up spending a few hours talking to some of the Chicago suburban educational transplants. One young lady honestly believed that a senior leaving college should expect to make about $200,000 a year. I asked her how much it costs to live in the average Chicago suburb a year. Her answer was around $2,500 a year. What struck me was that not a single one of her peers had a different estimate. Clueless? I can only hope she was an exception and not representative of her peer group.
Link | June 21st, 2008 at 9:30 am
Kimberly wrote,
Our counselor does an activity with the kids. They get 2 cards one is a profession with a monthly salary, the other says High, middle, or low (I think) meaning their spending habits.
Then they get out a piece of paper and start paying bills.
- Taxes
- Rent/Mortgage
- Utilities
- Car payments (no public transportation in the town the school is in)
- Gas
- insurance
- food
- clothes
and so on. They are surprised how quickly even a good salary can run out with high spending habits.
Link | June 21st, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Doug Noon wrote,
These comments have helped me see the importance of talking with kids about the nuts and bolts of working - the money, what “job satisfaction” might mean, and what it costs to live. They should also know what it might cost to raise a kid. Lots of my sixth-graders have parents who aren’t yet 30 years old. Thanks for the feedback.
@Nancy, I agree. I quit college after a year and a half. I went back when I was 28 and had a 10 month old daughter. After she was born, I could see that some adjustments had to be made, and I rearranged my priorities. College isn’t for everyone, and going to the university straight from high school might not be the best idea for everyone. But for middle class kids who don’t have someone to mentor them in a trade, what alternatives are there?
Link | June 21st, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Nancy wrote,
Another thing Doug—I teach gifted kids and I’ve seen white male, school quarterback, National Merit Scholar, Presidential Scholar, Top in Class, class president types of kids not be able to get into top tier schools of their choice. I think another good message to high schoolers is “What are you going to do to stand out from every other bright kid in the country?” So many times these kids get on the “academic/honors” track as freshman and end up looking just like everyody else.
Link | June 22nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Miss Profe wrote,
Thank you for this post, Doug. It took me back to my two-year stint as a part-time employee for a program called, “Kids to College”. I did this while pursuing a Master’s degree full-time. We did many of the activities with the kids - sixth graders - that you mention the counselor intern doing with your students. Although “Kids to College” was targeted at first-generation, low-income college-bound students, middle and upper middle income students could have benefitted from the program as well, especially when one considers the factors the previous posters enumerate.
I agree that going directly to college is an option among the many others, and students should be allowed to consider it as such. However, I think that would be a difficult concept to sell to college counselors and parents, especially at independent schools.
Link | June 24th, 2008 at 6:54 am
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Link | August 30th, 2008 at 5:30 pm